No, WHO is not taking over the world with swine flu scares


Turn up the craziness that is opposition to health care reform, and you get genuine, full-blown “hot zone” conspiracy wholly ungrounded in reality.

Like coathangers, hoaxes multiply in the closet!  Put ‘em in the dark, they’ll invent stuff beyond your wildest imagination.  It’s a perfect storm of voodoo science, voodoo history, paranoia and just plain hysteria.

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But they’ll swear it’s true.

A new hoax claims the World Health Organization (WHO) got a secret law passed to allow them to take over the world just as soon as they can get a few more people to catch swine flu.  No, really.

Under special pandemic plans enacted around the world including the USA, in 2005, national governments are to be dissolved in the event of a pandemic emergency and replaced by special crisis committees, which take charge of the health and security infrastructure of a country, and which are answerable to the WHO and EU in Europe and to the WHO and UN in North America.

If the Model Emergency Health Powers Act is implemented on the instructions of WHI, it will be a criminal offence for Americans to refuse the vaccine. Police are allowed to use deadly force against “criminal” suspects.

Through their control of these special pandemic crisis committees with the power to enact legislation to be set up most countries, the WHO, UN and EU become the de facto government of a large part of the world.

Mass murder and death will also bring economic collapse and disruption, starvation and wars – and these events will lead to a further population reduction.

Absolutely false.  WHO has no such plans.  Check with your health professionals, they’ll tell you swine flu is a real concern (even though it looks like swift action has prevented a lot of trouble so far, and may prevent a lot of ill health later).

If you made up this sort of stuff for a movie, they’d tell you “Dr. Strangelove” pushed the envelope as far as parody would go, and you should give up writing comedy, even dark comedy.

Did you notice the typographical error there in the second paragraph, where “WHO” turns into “WHI?”

That’s a DNA-style marker for this hoax.  Watch for it as it shows up at other sites where tinfoil-hat bedorned people mindlessly copy this chunk of fiction and pass it along as if it were just news about the new shopping center going in around the corner.

Much of the nuttiness appears to originate at WakeNews, from someone named Jane Bürgermeister who has grabbed .pdfs of a couple of WHO memoranda on the dangers of swine flu, and claims that instead of warnings about swine flu based on research, they are textbooks for how to use swine flu as a weapon of war against civilians.  Or it may be originating at a website she may run, Case About Birdflu (this is the url, I kid you not:  http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/) (This post, about her being fired, and with lots of “attagirls” from too-willing nutters, should be a roadmap for Prozac salesmen.)

Do not any of these people ever stop to wonder, “Hmmmm.  Curious about how this doesn’t appear on the WHO website, and how there are no links to anything that sounds even tangentially rational — I wonder if it’s true?”

Wall of Shame: Here are sites that repeated the hoax blindly, without even bothering to correct the typo (notice how few of these sites will allow you to point out an error):

Reality:  No plans to take over the world; tough plans to fight swine flu

Swine flu, more specifically the H1N1 virus, poses severe threats to real people, including you.  WHO has plans to combat the disease and its spread — laid out publicly here, for example.  There is even a Center for Strategic Health Operations (SHOC in the odd acronymical lexicon of the UN).

Preparations to fight epidemics and pandemics are part and parcel of public health operations around the world.  Almost every county in the United States has a public health office that makes plans for how to protect the local community from such diseases, and how to treat people who get the disease to help them survive.  Those who spread these hoaxes rarely know that they have people in their towns to do this work — the United Nations and WHO have no authority to intervene in these cases.

What about the Model Emergency Health Act? Proposals under that name exist — none allow people to be executed for refusing vaccinations.  As a matter of U.S. policy, almost all health legislation includes an out for religious objectors — Christian Scientists, for example, generally refuse vaccinations and much other treatment.  Jehovah Witnessses refuse transfusions.  In almost every case, those religious beliefs can be accommodated so long as the rest of us bother to protect ourselves against disease.

All of the proposals are designed to help public health officials fight disease.  Public health officials might be described as the embodiment of the name Milquetoast.  They are rarely in the forefront of your run-of-the-mill power-mad megalomaniac.  Former public health officials who rose to power in any circumstance can be counted on one hand, if there are any.  Contrast that with former religious officials, or former business executives, or former college presidents, and you begin to see reality.  WHO is not populated with people who wish to take over the world á la Pinky and the Brain.  WHO does not answer to people who resemble Pinky or the Brain in any way, either.

You may review the first (and most worrisome) draft of the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act in .pdf here.  Note carefully the strong defense of the rights of individuals recognized in the preamble to the draft bill.  The 2003 version of the Model Act can be reviewed at Alaska’s site; you can also find a section-by-section analysis and other explanatory material.

This document tracks state legislative actions so far – I dare anyone to find the trampling of civil rights and lunatic claims made at the websites listed above.  If you do find troubling actions, please note them in comments here. Note well that the documents in the previous three links are maintained by officials at the State of Alaska — Sarah Palin’s appointees and public health team.  It’s unlikely that Sarah Palin would be involved in a massive, international conspiracy to imprison millions of citizens just because they are not immune to influenza.  Of course, maybe you know Palin better than I do and you think she’s a megalomaniac just looking for her chance to play Mussolini in America — but I doubt it.

U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are deeply involved in preparations for influenza outbreaks, and swine flu is no exception.  CDC features a page showing international preparations for swine flu; note that plans to round up recalcitrant non-inoculants for execution are not in the program.  From that page you can get to the WHO page on international preparations, and there you can link to to international health regulations on the issueWHO’s “edict” so far:

Concerning public health measures, in line with the Regulations the Director-General is recommending, on the advice of the Committee, that all countries intensify surveillance for unusual outbreaks of influenza-like illness and severe pneumonia.

That’s it.

There is an Emergency Committee set up to deal with H1N1 specifically. The group has met four times; here is the report from the fourth meeting, in June:

11 June 2009

DG Statement following the meeting of the Emergency Committee

The Emergency Committee held its fourth meeting on 11th June 2009.

The Committee considered available information on transmission of New influenza A (H1N1) in a number of locations in countries in different regions of the World Health Organization, and concluded that the criteria for a pandemic have been met.

Following the advice from the Committee the WHO Director-General decided to raise the level of influenza pandemic alert from the current phase 5 to phase 6. At this early stage, the pandemic can be characterized globally as being moderate in severity.

As previously recommended by the Director-General, countries should not close borders or restrict international traffic and trade.

Countries should assess their specific situation and make a timely transition from focusing national efforts on containment to focusing on mitigation measures, including appropriate non-pharmaceutical interventions.

WHO remains in close dialogue with influenza vaccine manufacturers. It is understood that production of vaccines for seasonal influenza will be completed soon, and that full capacity will be available to ensure the largest possible supply of pandemic vaccine in the months to come.

You can see that the paranoia reflected in the sites on the Wall of Shame, is unwarranted.

Coda: You gotta love the guys who quickly see a way to make a buck on this fear.  Here’s a guy who will sell you a “smartroom” decontamination unit to retrofit any room in your home to make you safe from swine flu — just $1,899! Crazy with dollar signs in his dreams.

The SmartRoom is designed to protect you and your family from all viruses and bacteria. It can be quickly and easily installed. The SmartRoom is lightweight, compact and is totally collapsible for storage.

The SmartRoom features an Ultraviolet Biological Airlock that you attach to any room entry in your home or office. The Smartroom Tri Filter Biological Filtration Unit creates a Biological Saferoom under positive air pressure or a Quarantine Room under negative air pressure.

If it were only so easy to protect from swine flu.  If only it were so easy to protect ourselves from the conspiracy crazies.

Update, August 11, 2009:  More than 19,000 tinfoil hatters (TFH) have signed a petition against WHO’s imagined mandatory vaccine campaign.  Sign a petition against a problem that doesn’t exist!

Update, September 12, 2009: See this debunking of pseudoscience anti-vaccine claims at Respectful Insolence.


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251 Responses to No, WHO is not taking over the world with swine flu scares

  1. Ed Darrell says:

    If all one has to do is refuse a vaccine, why do you advocate violence against people who save lives?

    The last comment is one more indication of the astounding insanity among anti-vaxxers.

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  2. While OTHERs still continues blah blah blah …

    … now is running the second counter-attack.

    See:

    http://www.spkpfh.de/Criminal_charges_against_WHO_henchmen_2.htm

    THIS CONTINUATION OF THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AGAINST THE WHO HENCHMEN, TOO, MAY BE SENT TO THE PUBLIC PROSECUTOR’S OFFICE IN BERLIN BY EVERYBODY.

    If you see a doctor
    Knock him down at once!

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  3. Ed Darrell says:

    As for Ed, I did not mention anything about Karl Marx, you did. The comments I made about Marxisum was used as examples to earlier posts.

    Tony, you called public health officials “marxists,” back on April 5. Here’s your exact quote: “You Marxist elites will fail with your agenda. The only proof that this vaccine has- is its toxins. last I checked, Toxins are bad for you.”

    And for certain it was you who introduced the Bilderberger issue.

    You’ve constantly made wild, false and malicious claims against good scientists who work to protect our health. You’ve made vicious attacks on some of the most beneficial organizations in U.S. government. You’ve introduced some of the greatest squirrel arguments in modern politics.

    And then you accuse others of your misdeeds?

    Is there enough coffee in the world to wake you up?

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  4. Tony says:

    Nick any opposition to something you have no control over yourself, is never a “credible source” in a liberal marxist eyes like yourself. Also, I’m not a left wing or right wing person. I’m just a citizen thats sick of the bullshit from both sides. As for Ed, I did not mention anything about Karl Marx, you did. The comments I made about Marxisum was used as examples to earlier posts. You guys, or guy, gal, whatever, are nuts. So play like your god and nick pick this post, then move on to play with some zombies heads, and do all the thinking for them, I dont care. You don’t fool me anyway, so I’m done with you.

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  5. Nick Kelsier says:

    Tony, that isn’t a credible source. would you like to come up with a credible source instead of a blog?

    Oh and don’t toss around the term “marxist.” Unless of course you want to be labeled fascist or Nazi just because you’re right wing.

    Don’t use terms you don’t understand.

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  6. Ed Darrell says:

    Hmmm from what I see below it was you that said Karl Marx. I didnt say a word about that person

    This just gets richer and richer.

    So, it’s news to you that “Marxist” suggests Karl Marx? What, you thought Marxists were followers of Groucho, or Harpo?

    You hurl “marxist” as an epithet, then deny doing it, and then when your post is pointed out to you, you claim that it’s not the same as Karl Marx?

    Let me guess: You also want Obama to keep government’s stinkin’ fingers out of your Medicare, right?

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  7. Tony says:

    Or was that just a threat?

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  8. Tony says:

    Is this why I wont win the fight Ed?
    WHO Appoints H1N1 Cover-Up Committee

    http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20100413_who_coverup.htm

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  9. Tony says:

    Hmmm from what I see below it was you that said Karl Marx. I didnt say a word about that person

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  10. Ed Darrell says:

    by the way, I havent even mentioned a word about Marx. You did.

    Here’s the first mention of “Marxist” in this thread, Tony. Who made that mention?

    Don’t pick fights you can’t win, please.

    I also suspected you to be a leftist marxist liberal, and from your answers I’m right. of course you will deny it though, thats what you guys do when opposition confronts you. The best you can do is call people names. other than that, you cant get anything right. lmao

    Sorry to hear all your mirrors broke.

    Bankers rarely are Marxists. Marxism isn’t what you think it is.

    I appear to be a “leftist marxist liberal” only to right wing fascist crazies. Don’t self-label yourself, please.

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  11. Tony says:

    misspelled societies

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  12. Tony says:

    Oh, and Obama is helping to kill this nation. he just picked up from where the last president left off, just like all the rest of them in the past, all the way back to Washington. If you know anything about secret sociaties then you know why. but shhhh never let the masses know the truth, huh Ed. the republicans and the democrats are really on the same side. The governmnent has been trying to take complete control over this country since it was first founded. This nation is a republic by the way. There “was” a constitution put in place to give the government a set of rules of what they can and cant do. and since then, the people who swore an oath to it, to protect it, has just ignored that it was even there.The healthcare reform is unconstitional. Here is an example of one of our leaders who doesnt even know anything about the constitution that he swore an oath to.

    http://www.infowars.com/bush-was-right-the-constitution-is-just-a-g-d-piece-of-paper/

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  13. Tony says:

    by the way, I havent even mentioned a word about Marx. You did.

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  14. Tony says:

    I also suspected you to be a leftist marxist liberal, and from your answers I’m right. of course you will deny it though, thats what you guys do when opposition confronts you. The best you can do is call people names. other than that, you cant get anything right. lmao

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  15. Ed Darrell says:

    You forgot to comment on this one…
    Aspirin kills 400% more people than H1N1 swine flu

    I had hoped you’d realize your figures were wrong. What is it you have against just getting your facts straight?

    Get the facts on H1N1 flu and flu deaths:

    Updated Estimates from April 2009 – February 13, 2010

    Using the same methodology CDC has again updated the estimates to include the time period from April 2009 through February 13, 2010 on March 12, 2010.

    * CDC estimates that between 42 million and 86 million cases of 2009 H1N1 occurred between April 2009 and February 13, 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 59 million people infected with 2009 H1N1.
    * CDC estimates that between about 188,000 and 389,000 H1N1-related hospitalizations occurred between April 2009 and February 13, 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 265,000 2009 H1N1-related hospitalizations.
    * CDC estimates that between about 8,520 and 17,620 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April 2009 and February 13, 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 12,000 2009 H1N1-related deaths.

    Note: Less than 5% of increases in the estimates from one reporting date to the next are the result of delayed reporting in cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

    Just under 8,000 deaths a year to all NSAIDs, compared to 8,500 to 17,500 deaths in the last year from H1N1. Don’t fudge the numbers, please.

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  16. Ed Darrell says:

    Swine Flu A Dud

    Good news. Good news made possible by quick action by thousands of public health officials, and pharmaceutical manufacturers. They are not non-profits, you know. (Well, considering your confusion about Marxism and the Bilderberg group — do you know what “profit” means, and why it’s important in a free world?)

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  17. Ed Darrell says:

    Ed, if your whole family was vaccinated, then why worry about anybody else getting the vaccine? Your protected right? You could sit in a room filled with hundreds of infected people and not get the h1n1 flu yourself…Why would everyone have to get the vaccine?

    What makes you think everyone would get the vaccine? There will always be Know-Nothings — much like your stand here — who will find some reason to avoid vaccination. Then there are Christian Scientists, who are religiously opposed.

    Yeah, we’re protected. Now. No one I know who died deserved to die. They were not pleasant deaths. Your lack of concern and lack of common compassion is pathological.

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  18. Ed Darrell says:

    Ed, do you think this country should still be under a national emergency because of the h1n1 swine flu?
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423/

    That declaration empowers the Secretary of Health and Human Services to ::gasp!:: help set up emergency clinics with hospitals! Your attempt to paint that as something sinister reveals much about your ulterior motives.

    The declaration granted temporary authority, for so long as the public health emergency for H1N1 existed. Does that emergency still exist? Under the law, Sec. Sebelius has authority to declare an emergency for 90 days only. Eventually these things expire, usually when the threat subsides. Given the astounding, life-threatening nature of this virus to mutate to resist other treatments, do you think no emergency should exist? Without vaccines, this virus could — emphasize “could” — quickly mutate to a massive killer with little anyone could do. Previously you’ve expressed little concern over the way the virus turns immune systems against its victims, killing healthy people quickly. On what basis do you wish to condemn a few thousands kids to death, especially since saving their lives is simple, easy, and cheap?

    Surely you’re not going to claim this is some evil conspiracy, are you? The idea of anyone trying to get world domination by fighting flu is laughable, except to the extent that you might frustrate the fighting of the flu.

    Whose side are you on, anyway?

    Do you think the “figure head” Obama is doing a good job with this country, and do you think he is taking this country in the right direction?

    Much better than the previous eight years, yes. He’s rescued our economy from certain death, he’s making astounding strides to effect nuclear disarmament and stop proliferation, he’s set us on the right track in Iraq, he’s moved to clean up several environmental messes, he’s concerned about protecting workers from the ravages of economic storms . . . on almost every front, he’s doing great, much better than the previous “figure head.” As of January 14, 91 promises kept, good progress on 33 more — and that was before the health reform bill passed into law. As of right now it’s 108 promises kept, 34 compromised, 257 in the works, and 19 broken.

    Why do you hate our nation so?

    p.s. the link I posted about the Bilderberg group was just a link that I posted. I didnt even say anything after I posted the link. However, I did say in an earlier post that the Bilderberg group has the same ideologies as marxism. One example would be world domination.

    My analysis stands. You appear to think Marx proposed world domination, when he didn’t. You’re confusing Marxism with Soviet-style communism (have you heard? The Soviet Union ceased to exist at midnight, December 31, 1991 . . .). By your standards, George W. Bush also proposed “world domination” for democracy, which of course is somewhat contrary to the government we have in the U.S., which is a democratic republic. If you’re going to play fast and loose with such terms, you can’t be taken seriously.

    The bankers and financiers who were originally part of the Bilderberger group, and who now occasionally meet, cannot be confused with Marxists by anyone who knows anything about Marxism and capitalism.

    You appear to be completely ignorant of the origins of the Bilderberg meetings, in 1954 — to support the U.S. in our fight against communism. How can you be so clueless?

    Meetings are organized by a steering committee with two members from each of around eighteen nations.[4] Official posts, in addition to a chairman, include an Honorary Secretary General.[5] There is no such category in the group’s rules as a “member of the group”. The only category that exists is “member of the Steering Committee”.[6] In addition to the committee, there also exists a separate advisory group, though membership overlaps.[7]

    Dutch economist Ernst van der Beugel took over as permanent secretary in 1960, upon Retinger’s death. Prince Bernhard continued to serve as the meeting’s chairman until 1976, the year of his involvement in the Lockheed affair. The position of Honorary American Secretary General has been held successively by Joseph E. Johnson of the Carnegie Endowment, William Bundy of Princeton, Theodore L. Eliot, Jr., former U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan, and Casimir A. Yost of Georgetown’s Institute for the Study of Diplomacy.[8]

    A 2008 press release from the American Friends of Bilderberg stated that “Bilderberg’s only activity is its annual Conference. At the meetings, no resolutions are proposed, no votes taken, and no policy statements issued” and noted that the names of attendees were available to the press.[9] The Bilderberg group unofficial headquarters is the University of Leiden in the Netherlands.[10]

    According to the American Friends of Bilderberg, the 2008 agenda dealt “mainly with a nuclear free world, cyber terrorism, Africa, Russia, finance, protectionism, US-EU relations, Afghanistan and Pakistan, Islam and Iran”.[9]

    Which of those goals to you oppose? You prefer nuclear terrorism? You think we should let down our guard against cyber terrorists? You think we should ignore Africa, or Russia? You’re opposed to free trade?

    Again I wonder, whose side are you on?

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  19. Tony says:

    Only 1 in 4 Americans Got H1N1 Vaccine

    http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/newsstory.aspx?docID=637638

    nope, I dont see bodies filling the streets. maybe this fall it will happen?

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  20. Tony says:

    Ed, if your whole family was vaccinated, then why worry about anybody else getting the vaccine? Your protected right? You could sit in a room filled with hundreds of infected people and not get the h1n1 flu yourself…Why would everyone have to get the vaccine?

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  21. Tony says:

    Ed, do you think this country should still be under a national emergency because of the h1n1 swine flu?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33459423/

    Do you think the “figure head” Obama is doing a good job with this country, and do you think he is taking this country in the right direction?

    p.s. the link I posted about the Bilderberg group was just a link that I posted. I didnt even say anything after I posted the link. However, I did say in an earlier post that the Bilderberg group has the same ideologies as marxism. One example would be world domination.

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  22. Ed Darrell says:

    Ed, if a true H1N1 SWINE FLU pandemic was to ever break out, and lets say a billion people died from the flu. Do you think people should be forced to get the h1n1 vaccine even if its against their wishes, religion etc.? Yes or No?

    No. Where do you come up with such bizarre scenarios?

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  23. Nick Kelsier says:

    Tony, there was a young boy in one of the neighboring towns who contracted H1N1. Perfectly healthy young boy.

    He was dead within a week after contracting H1N1. I’d like to see you tell your nonsense to the parents of that boy. But I don’t think you’d get out of such an incident with your hide intact.

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  24. Ed Darrell says:

    Origins of the Bilderberg meetings

    http://thebiggestsecret.online.fr/secret_societies/bilderberg_origins.htm

    And Karl Marx gets in there exactly where? This is dubious history at the very, very best — but it’s crazy when you use it to suggest these guys are socialists. You don’t really have a good grasp of what socialism, communism, Marxism, capitalism and free enterprise are, it appears to me.

    Bankers and princes generally avoid socialism like a plague. Of course, you appear not to understand plagues and why or how they are avoided, either. Oy.

    Thousands of Americans died from H1N1 even after receiving vaccine shots
    http://www.naturalnews.com/027956_H1N1_vaccine_CDC.html

    But not from the vaccine, and not from H1N1 if the vaccine had time to build immunity.

    Were the numbers really thousands? You don’t cite any credible source (this “naturalnews” is loaded with woo and crank science, and crank history so far as that goes).

    I missed all influenza so far this year. For a couple of weeks my class attendance hovered at about 50% as unvaccinated kids around me fell like chloroformed flies. Unvaccinated teachers got it, too.

    I didn’t, yet I’m physically prone to catching such viruses early and hard. How do you explain that?

    How do you explain that so few of these deaths were reported to CDC? These people, angry over unjust deaths, don’t care enough to warn others?

    Fie on your bogus claims.

    The h1n1 swine flu did not even become the holocaust pandemic that the elites tried to scare people into believeing.

    You would do well to look up the meaning of “pandemic.” You seem to think it means millions must die, when it means an infectious disease spreading rapidly.

    Neither CDC nor I can be responsible for your failure to understand the English language.

    Washington Post: Government May Have to Waste Millions of H1N1 Vaccines

    http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2010/20100401171013.aspx

    Pretty poor story, especially for the Post. They’ve confused the meaning of the word “pandemic” as badly as you did.

    You were not alive in 2008, apparently, when H1N1 swept through Mexico quickly killing a few thousands of people, and shutting down tourism and other commerce in Mexico for several weeks. You appear not to comprehend what flu does when it’s not fought.

    You appear to have completely missed the history lessons carried out in newspapers around the world about past flu pandemics. And especially, you missed the stories that told how vaccines could stop the death toll of pandemics.

    We had — still have — an H1N1 flu pandemic. You claim that too few people have died (a bizarre claim). I would point to that death toll and note that it is testament to the success of the CDC’s and NIH’s efforts to educate, innovate, develop vaccines and vaccinate quickly. It’s testament to public health officials making the right decisions more often than not.

    And it’s also a story about how we deal with what we don’t know. No one knows how virulent a new strain of influenza will be, until the post mortem. Then, of course, it’s too late for those who died.

    Very few people die from typhoid anymore, but that’s not a license for you to spread disinformation that chlorination of drinking water doesn’t work and that all city water companies are corrupt and stupid. That’s an analogy to what you’re saying about flu.

    I survived more than 100 exposures to H1N1 this year without contracting it. I survived nearly 1,000 exposures to other flu that we aren’t sure was H1N1.

    But friends of ours lost their 19-year-old daughter, healthy, vibrant girl who died within 14 days of contracting it. At UT-Dallas, there were several cases, and as our son, then a student there, noted, it demonstrated that the virus was deadly because of the way it turns a healthy immune system on the victim of the disease. A well-working immune system can kill you when it turns. That’s what H1N1 does.

    You may find it a conspiracy. You should volunteer to spend some time helping out in the emergency room, or in your county public health clinic. Seeing the real world might change your views.

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  25. Tony says:

    Ed, if a true H1N1 SWINE FLU pandemic was to ever break out, and lets say a billion people died from the flu. Do you think people should be forced to get the h1n1 vaccine even if its against their wishes, religion etc.? Yes or No?

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  26. Tony says:

    Aspirin kills 400% more people than H1N1 swine flu

    http://www.naturalnews.com/027548_swine_flu_vaccines_death_risk.html

    Do Not Take The H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Until You Read These Tragic Real Life Vaccine Horror Stories

    http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/do-not-take-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-until-you-read-these-tragic-real-life-vaccine-horror-stories

    Reports of Adverse Reactions To
    The H1N1 Vaccine Are Pouring In

    http://preventdisease.com/news/09/111709_reports_adverse_reactions_h1n1.shtml

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  27. Tony says:

    Thousands of Americans died from H1N1 even after receiving vaccine shots

    http://www.naturalnews.com/027956_H1N1_vaccine_CDC.html

    The h1n1 swine flu did not even become the holocaust pandemic that the elites tried to scare people into believeing.

    Washington Post: Government May Have to Waste Millions of H1N1 Vaccines

    http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2010/20100401171013.aspx

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  28. Ed Darrell says:

    The point of the links below is to show that the CDC is just as corrupt as our government.

    Tony, CDC is a government agency. Sure they are as corrupt as our government — which is relatively uncorrupt and in many cases in CDC areas, uncorruptible.

    Thousands of Americans died from H1N1 even after receiving vaccine shots.

    Almost all of them unvaccinated against H1N1. CDC doesn’t track that statistic carefully, but it’s available from states.

    I can’t tell if you really think you have good information from these cranks you cite, or if you know you’re citing dangerously inaccurate stuff.

    That video you posted, for example, the guy in it notes that the proximate cause of death in most H1N1 cases is the pneumonia that occurs from H1N1. He pretends that the pneumonia is unrelated to H1N1, when it’s caused by the H1N1.

    Why pneumonia? Among other things, H1N1 is so deadly because it turns a victim’s immune system on the victim. Such turns often show up in lung infections. That the proximate cause of death is pneumonia, of a particular sort that is caused by H1N1, is a tell-tale sign of H1N1 damage.

    So the H1N1-caused pneumonia kills? No kidding. Why are you trying to cover that up? Why is that guy acting as if it’s not true?

    Yes, of course CDC updates its reports. You should get those updates from CDC, not from some truth-twister website. See the button above, the one with the school bus on it? Click on it. Get some real, accurate information.

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  29. Ed Darrell says:

    The Bilderberg group does have the same ideologies as Marxist though

    Yeah, sorta like Ben Franklin was really a Tory, and George Washington proposed to abolish the Constitution.

    Are you just seriously malinformed? What part of anything the Bilderberg group works on has even a passing, tangential relation to the philosophies of Marxism, past or present?

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  30. Ed Darrell says:

    The Center for Disease Control (CDC) says that for anyone who refuses to keep up-to-date vaccinations, under the new health reform, you will not be able to obtain any health care you may need until immunizations are current.

    No, CDC doesn’t say that. It’s rather a tell that the site you link to doesn’t link to any CDC document at all. Health insurance coverage is not under the direction of CDC — it’s far, far outside CDC’s work.

    Moreover, such a policy would be a violation of the Hill-Burton Act, which was not repealed by the current health care act. Moreover, such a policy has been held by the courts to be a violation of the First Amendment rights of several groups, like Christian Scientists. See here for a story about what the health care bill really does, indicating among other things that Congress is fully cognizant of the rights of Christian Scientists (whether anyone else agrees with the CS faith or not):

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/03/nation/na-health-religion3

    Here’s a link to the text of the health care bill. I dare you to find any language in there that says people will be denied health care if their jabs are not up to date:

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3590

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  31. Tony says:

    The Bilderberg group does have the same ideologies as Marxist though

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  32. Tony says:

    Ed I didnt even mention anything about John D. Rocekfeller, Jr. I was just using the bilderberg group as an Example of corruption. I intended the Marxists comments as a seperate example. also, the line “Its obvious that you, the cdc, government, or the WHO can prove that one size fits all with this vaccine and that it will ‘PREVENT’ (emphasis added) people from getting the flu.” is supposed to read: Its obvious that you, the cdc, government, or the WHO can’t prove that one size fits all with this vaccine and that it will ‘PREVENT’ (emphasis added) people from getting the flu. It should say “cant prove”, not the word “can”.

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  33. Tony says:

    The point of the links below is to show that the CDC is just as corrupt as our government.

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  34. Tony says:

    Jan. 10, 2010 The Center for Disease Contact and Proliferation has issued an Updated on the Swine Flu cases in 2010.

    http://www.politicolnews.com/cdc-h1n1-flu/

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  35. Tony says:

    Thousands of Americans died from H1N1 even after receiving vaccine shots

    http://www.naturalnews.com/027956_H1N1_vaccine_CDC.html

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  36. Tony says:

    http://www.youronlineinsurance.com/health-

    insurance/will-fed-governments-proposed-mandatory-health-insurance-work-141/#comment-9

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  37. Tony says:

    Copy and paste that link. it didnt post right on this page. Also, the H1N1 vaccine will NOT PREVENT you from getting the swine flu. there is NO scientific proof of that.

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  38. Tony says:

    The Federal Government’s proposed mandatory health insurance will mean mandatory vaccinations/immunizations. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) says that for anyone who refuses to keep up-to-date vaccinations, under the new health reform, you will not be able to obtain any health care you may need until immunizations are current.

    http://www.youronlineinsurance.com/health-insurance/will-fed-governments-proposed-mandatory-health-insurance-work-141/#comment-9

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  39. Ed Darrell says:

    1. No one is forced to get any vaccine under the new health care reform bill.

    2. Bilderberg group is opposite of Marxists, a policy subtlety that appears to have slipped the grasp of too many. John D. Rocekfeller, Jr., was not a Marxist. No Marxist would kowtow to Rockefeller, and vice versa. Consequently, claiming the Bilderberg group to be Marxist is a bit like claiming al Queada as a front for the Jewish Defense League.

    3. You may be right. Your disease may not be preventable or treatable with vaccine. But then, your problem isn’t just flu.

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  40. Tony says:

    The CDC is right in there with “the powers that be” Bilderberg group for example. Helping them with wealth, power and control over the masses using The h1n1 vaccine as one way of doing so. The NEW h1n1 vaccine and virus is different from the vaccine and virus from the 70’s, so the new vaccine has not been tested that long. Its obvious that you, the cdc, government, or the WHO can prove that one size fits all with this vaccine and that it will ‘PREVENT’ (emphasis added) people from getting the flu. The New healthcare reform law even forces people to get this vaccine. read the bill if you dont believe me.

    http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act.pdf

    You Marxist elites will fail with your agenda. The only proof that this vaccine has- is its toxins. last I checked, Toxins are bad for you.

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  41. Ed Darrell says:

    Ed, go back to sleep now, the government, cdc, and the WHO will take care of everything for you. They care deeply about you and your family like they are their own.

    Certainly the good people at CDC care more about my family than neo-faux-Luddite philosophers. I know and have worked with many of the people at CDC. They do good work and our general good health is testament to that good work.

    You dont even have to think for yourself, they will take care of that also.

    But if one wishes to think for one’s self, or think at all, CDC provides information and data to think with. Better to think with what is given than be unjustifiably and dangerously gullible toward false claims.

    They always know whats best for you, you dont. Your not fooling anyone bub, like man made global warming, and you, the vaccine is a fraud. People are waking up and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it.

    Except for several thousands of people who are aren’t waking up at all — dead from swine flu.

    If you really doubt CDC, spend a year not washing your hands, see how that improves your health. Go live among the infectious without vaccines at all; let us know, if you can, how that works for you.

    Ed, did you read the info that site offered, it states it would only take one hour to prove it.

    So, you don’t have a clue what a Phase III study is or how long it would take to do it, or why the study as described in this case might be inappropriate.

    An hour to conduct thousands of Phase III studies? You’re asking for magic, not science.

    It’s easier to sucker in people who don’t understand medicine. Sometimes the tough stuff is best left to experts — this appears to be one of those times.

    how is that beyond what any rational national health system would impose?

    Because the flu vaccine is well tested over these past 40 years, so further phase IIIs on the vaccine production methods and efficacy would be a waste of time; because in a rapidly moving, very contagious and potentially fatal affliction like H1N1, you condemn to death thousands of people before the trials are done. Because it’s not necessary and it kills people.

    and sence you seem to think that anyone opposed to the vaccine is wrong, then what would it take to prove the vaccine prevents the flu?

    You might look at the epidemiological data that shows the vaccine stops the spread of the disease in a population — a rather potent and ultimate test of efficacy.

    The question is, why don’t you accept standard tests that show the vaccine works? If you’re a Holocaust denier and wish to deny all evidence, that’s one thing; it’s quite another to be similarly politically insane on a health care issue.

    and I dont mean what the cdc, or the who would come up with. I mean you. what would it take to prove it scientifically to you?

    I called NIH and got the flu expert. I read the studies published in PLOS and freely available from Pub-Med. I read the studies.

    Why aren’t you convinced by information?

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  42. Tony says:

    Ed, did you read the info that site offered, it states it would only take one hour to prove it. how is that beyond what any rational national health system would impose? and sence you seem to think that anyone opposed to the vaccine is wrong, then what would it take to prove the vaccine prevents the flu? and I dont mean what the cdc, or the who would come up with. I mean you. what would it take to prove it scientifically to you?

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  43. Tony says:

    Ed Darrell Says: Tony, I’ve asked that site to offer proof they’ve got the prize. I’ll wager the question never shows up on their site.

    Really Ed. I’ll ask them the same question and see what happens.

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