U.S. actions to support Agenda 21: Soil conservation, farm and rural development; no population control, no black helicopters


Not sure what Agenda 21 is?  It’s the larger program of the United Nations to pick up where the U.S. Soil Conservation Service left off (SCS is now the U.S. Natural Resources Conservation Service, NRCS).  Erosion control.  Don’t deplete the soils.  Keep water sources clean and flowing.  Use wise plowing practices to prevent another Dust Bowl.  Get Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and Future Farmers of America and 4-H Clubs to build check dams and plant beneficial trees.

See a quick explanation of Agenda 21 here (courtesy of Grist, here).

Keenan Wynn and a Coke machine, Dr. Strangelove (publicity still?)

Keenan Wynn as Col. Bat Guano, pauses before shooting open a Coke machine to get change to place a call to the President of the United States to save the world, in Stanley Kubrick’s “Dr. Strangelove, Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb,” (publicity still?).  Agenda 21 is not like “Dr. Strangelove,” except perhaps in the minds of those poisoned by dramatic over-consumption of Coca-Cola or Monster Cola.

You can’t find that stuff easily on Google, nor Bing, usually.  Instead you’ll find people worrying about black helicopters, the massive, unseen and never-detected UN Army poised to take over U.S. golf courses, and unhinged rants about forced population control, rants worthy of Col. Bat Guano but lacking Kubrick’s and Southern’s and George’s wit or Keenan Wynn‘s sharp delivery.  (Yes, if you hear someone complaining about Agenda 21, you may and perhaps should say, “That’s Bat Guano!”)

Agenda 21 is the umbrella agency under which nations who are members of the UN undertake studies of Earth’s resources, human effects upon those resources, and which makes recommendations about how to save our planet’s resources from depletion.  KyotoRio CopenhagenIPCC.

Agenda 21 is about as milk toast a policy initiative as it is possible to get.  Why all the angst among so-called neo-conservatives and so-called libertarians?  Beats me.  I can only imagine that they have never read any of the documents, know nothing of the issues discussed, and have slept through much of the past 50 years on farm and food production issues.

Should we fear, as Paul Sadler‘s GOP opponent for the Texas U.S. Senate seat does, that Agenda 21 will require Texas to turn over all its golf courses to the UN?  No, we should instead pay attention to what the government has actually done in support of Agenda 21 initiatives — all of which are voluntary under the Agenda 21 program and the UN Charter.  Also, perhaps, we should make sure to vote against anyone who tries to instill fear by misstating what Agenda 21 is, or does, or “requires” (Yeah, you, Ted Cruz — what sort of crazy are you on? and this is why we’re voting for Paul Sadler instead; we need rational people who love Texas more than crazies who speak smack about golf courses and people who golf).

Here’s the White House list of activities to support Agenda 21 in the last four years; can you find the black helicopters and UN takeover of U.S. territory?  No, neither can anyone else:

Policy Initiatives

President Obama’s administration understands that a strong American economy is contingent upon a strong rural economy. Since the creation of the White House Rural Council, the President has made historic investments in rural America designed to drive job growth.  The actions will help ensure the development of a rural economy built to last.  These actions include:

Doubling Small Business Administration (SBA) Investment Funds for Rural Small Businesses
Announced August 2011

The Administration established a rural “carve-out” in the Small Business Investment Company (SBIC) Impact Investment Program that will invest in distressed areas and emerging sectors such as clean energy.  SBA will provide up to a 2:1 match to private capital raised by the fund.  SBA and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) are committed to partnering to drive $350 million of investment capital through the fund and existing SBICs into rural small businesses over five years, doubling the current rate of investment.

Providing Job Search Information through USDA Field Offices
Announced August 2011

The USDA and Department of Labor (DOL) partnered to offer job training information and better utilize the rural footprint of the USDA field offices across the country to provide them with greater access to job search resources by reducing the driving times and distances for rural customers seeking program information.

Expansion of the National Health Service Corps to Critical Access Hospitals
Announced August 2011

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded eligibility for the National Health Service Corps loan repayment program so that Critical Access Hospitals, those with 25 beds or fewer, can recruit new physicians, using student loan repayment incentives.  This program will help hospitals across the country recruit needed staff.  Once a hospital has qualified as a service site, it can then apply for student loan repayment on behalf of its primary care physicians, nurse practitioners, and physician assistants.

Expanding Health Information Technology in Rural Communities
Announced August 2011

USDA and HHS signed an agreement to improve access to capital for rural hospitals and other providers seeking to implement health information technology and expand the health IT workforce in rural communities.

Commercial Aviation Biofuels Partnership
Announced August 2011

The Navy, the Department of Energy, and USDA have joined forces to spur the creation of an advanced biofuels industry that will support commercial aviation, with a pledge of $510 million, over three years, under the Defense Production Act of 1950.

Promoting a Bioeconomy through BioPreferred
Announced February 2012

To support the Administration’s “Blueprint for a Bioeconomy,” the President is utilizing the purchasing power of the Federal government by directing Federal agencies to take additional steps to significantly increase the purchase of biobased products over the next two years, which will create thousands of new rural jobs and drive innovation where biobased products are grown and manufactured. Utilizing the existing BioPreferred program, the Federal government will use its procurement power to increase the purchasing and use of biobased products, promoting rural economic development, creating new jobs, and providing new markets for farm commodities. Biobased products include items like paints, soaps and detergents and are developed from farm grown plants, rather than chemicals or petroleum bases. The biobased products sector marries the two most important economic engines for rural America: agriculture and manufacturing.

Rural Jobs Accelerator
Announced February 2012

The “Rural Jobs Accelerator” will link Federal programs to facilitate job creation and economic development in rural communities by utilizing regional development strategies. The “Rural Jobs Accelerator” will allow multiple agencies to coordinate technical assistance and grant/loan programs so that a consortium of public and private rural entities can have a single access point within the Federal government, allowing for improved access, streamlining of programs, and better leveraging of resources.  USDA and EDA will leverage approximately $14 million in funding, with technical support from Delta Regional Authority, Appalachian Regional Commission, Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Department of Education.

Development of Rural Health IT Workforce
Announced February 2012

HHS and the DOL signed a memorandum of understanding to link community colleges and technical colleges that support rural communities with available materials and resources to support the training of HIT professionals.  Rural health care providers face challenges in harnessing the benefits of health information technology (HIT) due to limited capital and a workforce that is not trained to work within the expanding field of HIT. Due to lower financial operating margins and limited capital, funds for hiring new staff or training existing staff in HIT implementation and maintenance are often simply not available to rural health care providers.  The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that the needed HIT workforce will increase by 20 percent by the year 2016.  A significant part of that growth will come in rural areas, which are served by approximately 2,000 rural hospitals, 3,700 Rural Health Clinics as well as the more than 3,000 Community and Migrant Health Centers that are either located in or serve rural communities.

Timber and National Forest Restoration
Announced  February 2012

USDA’s Forest Service, in conjunction with the White House Rural Council, released a strategy to increase the scale of restoration treatments like forest thinning, reforestation, and other activities to restore and sustain the health of our forests.  In addition to environmental benefits, these activities create jobs in the forest industry which has been hurt significantly by the economic downturn.  The strategy relies on (1) using collaborative approaches to broaden public support for forest restoration; (2) expanding restoration tools like the Collaborative Forest Landscape Restoration Program and stewardship contracting; (3) better targeting budget resources; and (4) streamlining forest planning and analysis without sacrificing quality.

Mortgage Refinancing
Announced February 2012

The Administration announced an initiative to assist rural homeowners refinance their mortgages at lower interest rates through USDA’s Rural Development agency. By reallocating existing funding, at no additional cost to taxpayers, USDA will have almost doubled the amount of funds available to homeowners seeking to lower their mortgage payments or avoid foreclosure.  Under the new allocation, the amount of the $24 billion program dedicated to refinancing will increase from $520 million to $1.1 billion, allowing USDA to meet the growing demand for refinance transactions.

Task Force on Tourism and Competitiveness
Announced January 2012

On January 19, the President signed an Executive Order creating a Task Force charged with developing a National Travel and Tourism Strategy with recommendations for new policies and initiatives to promote domestic and international travel opportunities throughout the United States. The strategy will include recommendations to promote visits to the United States public lands, waters, shores, monuments, and other iconic American destinations, thereby expanding job creation in the United States, as well as tourism opportunities in rural communities. The Task Force is co-chaired by Secretary Salazar and Secretary Bryson, with participation from USDA, other agencies and WH offices.

Advancing Water Quality Conservation across the U.S.
Announced May 2012

The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) announced the launch of a new National Water Quality Initiative committed to improving one to seven impaired watersheds in every U.S. state and territory. The Initiative is part of the Obama Administration’s White House Rural Council which is working in partnership with farmers, ranchers and forest owners to improve conservation of working lands in rural America. The 157 selected watersheds were identified with assistance from state agencies, key partners, and USDA’s Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) State Technical Committees. NRCS will make available at least $33 million in financial assistance to farmers, ranchers and forest landowners this year to implement conservation practices to help provide cleaner water for their neighbors and communities.

Small Business Administration Investing in Rural Small Businesses
Announced June 2012

The Administration extended more than $400 million in FY 2011 of investments in rural America through the Small Business Investment Company (SBIC) Impact Investment Program, at no cost to taxpayers. Nearly $2 billion in additional funding will be invested by the end of fiscal year 2016. These investments will continue to help finance, grow, expand, and modernize rural small business operations around the country.

MOU to Improve Support in the Colonias
Announced June 2012

The U.S. Department of Agriculture-Rural Development (USDA-RD), Housing and Urban Development, and Department of Treasury’s Community Development Financial Institutions Fund (CDFI) partnered to create the Border Community Capital Initiative. This collaboration is designed to expand access to capital in the U.S/Mexico border region which includes some of the poorest communities in the country. The Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) will provide up to $200,000 to nonprofit and/or tribal financial institutions that serve colonias. This funding will go to increase access to basic necessities such as safe drinking water, adequate sewage systems, and safe, sanitary housing.

U.S Department of Education Investing in Rural Schools
Announced June 2012

Through the national broadband plan, the Obama Administration will leverage the power of technology to overcome distance and increase collaboration to accelerate student achievement in rural schools. The White House Rural Council partnered with the U.S Department of Education to deliver a new online community of practice groups for rural schools. This online tool will create virtual communities of practice for educators to connect to resources, tools, colleagues, experts, and learned activities both within and beyond schools. The Administration is using technology to break down geographic barriers and address rural isolation in education.

Accelerating Broadband Infrastructure Deployment
Announced June 2012

On June 14, 2012 President Obama signed an Executive Order to make broadband construction along Federal roadways and properties up to 90 percent cheaper and more efficient. U.S agencies that manage Federal properties and roads will partner to offer carriers a single approach to leasing Federal assets for broadband deployment. Providing a uniform approach for broadband carriers to build networks will speed the delivery of connectivity to communities, business, and schools in rural America. In order to further expand the nations broadband service, more than 25 cities and 60 national research universities are partnering to form “US Ignite.” US Ignite will create a new wave of services that will extend programmable broadband networks to 100 times the speed of today’s internet. This partnership will improve services to Americans and drive job creation, promote innovation, and create new markets for American business.

Supporting Appalachian Communities
Announced June 2012

Facilitated through the White House Rural Council, the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC) developed a Livable Communities Initiative. This initiative is a partnership between ARC, the U.S Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the U.S Department of Agriculture Rural Development (USDA RD). The initiative provides technical assistance to small rural towns to help them develop and implement strategies for making the communities more livable and competitive. The partnership will focus on expanding transportation choices, supporting thriving and distinctive rural communities by investing in rural town centers, and extending affordable housing opportunities.

There is nothing seriously objectionable in that list of activities.  If you’re an astute, patriotic American, you’ll recognize a lot of actions that strengthen our nation.  Maybe opposition to Agenda 21 is a virus spread by an insect vector — there is no rational explanation for it, certainly.

More:

Highlights from the video, as listed at the White House blog:

Drought Relief: President Obama also toured McIntosh Family Farms in Missouri Valley, Iowa to see drought damage first-hand and offer relief to those being effected. The President announced that the Department of Agriculture will begin to buy up to $170 million worth of pork, chicken, lamb, and catfish. And the President is directing the Department of Defense — which purchased more than 150,000 million pounds of beef and pork in the last year alone — to encourage its vendors to accelerate meat purchases for the military and freeze it for future use.

“Understand this won’t solve the problem. We can’t make it rain,” the President said. “But this will help families like the McIntoshes in states across the country, including here in Iowa. And we’re going to keep doing what we can to help because that’s what we do. We are Americans. We take care of each other.”

To learn more, the Department of Agriculture is collecting resources for farmers, ranchers, and small businesses wrestling with this crisis at USDA.gov/drought. More information still is available at WhiteHouse.gov/drought.

Banner Year for the U.S. Wind Industry: Also this week, the Energy Department and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory released a new report highlighting strong growth in America’s wind energy market in 2011 and underscoring the importance of continued policy support and clean energy tax credits to ensure that the U.S. remains a leading producer and manufacturer in this booming global industry.As President Obama has made clear, we need an all-of-the-above approach to American energy and the U.S. wind industry is a critical part of this strategy. In fact, wind energy contributed 32 percent of all new U.S. electric capacity additions last year, representing $14 billion in new investment.

Wall of Shame on Agenda 21; sites that promote the crazies:

17 Responses to U.S. actions to support Agenda 21: Soil conservation, farm and rural development; no population control, no black helicopters

  1. Ed Darrell says:

    Joe Bakanovic (the last listed post on the Wall of Shame above) tried to explain his gullible falling for Beck’s hoax videos, and how Agenda 21 is about population control:

    I do not say that because I think so, I say that because many of the people connected to it has publicly said so. You just have to dig for it because peeps like “ping-back” hide and obfuscate it. This is how evil works.

    And if you believe that, I have title to a bridge across the Grand Canyon that I can let you have for under $50,000. No one “publicly connected” to the UN’s soil conservation effort has said it’s intended to reduce population.

    When he says “This is how evil works,” he fails to use a proper antecedent. “This?” His blog post.

    If you really want to watch apes fling poo, challenge him to document population control claims from actual Agenda 21 documents, and not from Glenn Beck’s wet dreams and dehydration hallucinations.

    Reading some of these sites is the moral equivalent of fornicating promiscuously “to protect virginity.”

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  2. Ed Darrell says:

    It appears that Glenn Beck’s network is the only one that has ever broadcast that “advertisement.”

    Gullibility is NOT a virtue in policy discussion.

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  3. Ed Darrell says:

    My first reaction is, what’s the problem? You’ve got a video in which some elders in a society say they have to work to keep things good for their children and grandchildren.

    But then I see your concern at the end.

    And so I wonder: How easily can you be hoaxed? What is the source of this “ad?” Where was it broadcast? Who paid for the broadcast?

    Do you consider it odd that none of this information is carried by the sources who claim, without reference any source, really, that it’s sinister?

    Not enough information to say much of anything about it, other than the anti-Agenda 21 folks sure do hate the idea of planning for the future.

    P.S. — at YouTube, one person who posted this video claims Agenda 21 aims to reduce world population to 500 million people. If Agenda 21 is really evil, why such over the top falsehoods? What a whopper. How gullible ARE Agenda 21 opponents?

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  4. saneromeo says:

    My tin foil hat may cause interference with this clip :) but I was curious what everyone thought this might mean….

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  5. Ed Darrell says:

    One is, reputedly, a food, and the other an invented name to represent someone who resembles the food, e.g. Casper Milquetoast.

    Did I miss something? I’d wger IAmRising isn’t familiar with either usage.

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  6. austin says:

    I bet IAmRising knows the difference between milk toast and milquetoast though.

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  7. Ed Darrell says:

    I predict IAmRising will not rise to answer any of the questions; she (I think the poster is female), complains instead that I have asked her for sources to back her claims, evidence that she’s not wholly and only paranoid: http://iamrising.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/i-am-getting-attacked/

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  8. austin says:

    lol at “milk toast”

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  9. Jim says:

    I am rising says, I am a libertarian, not a socialist.

    That’s certainly unfortunate, but it’s your right. God bless you either way.

    He continues, All these programs are funded by reaching into the public pocket.

    Again, you are correct. You have an astute grasp of what it means to be an American citizen. I’m so sorry you don’t wish to live into that reality as first outlined by our founding fathers.

    He adds, I am against that.

    I am not. But I’m glad you feel free to express a dissenting opinion and to do so decorously and graciously!

    I am rising further opines, People may voluntarily contribute, they must not be regulated or forced to.

    That is immoral.

    While I find your codification of the Preamble to the Constitution and the closing signature to the Declaration of Independence to be errant and tortured, once again — it is your right.

    This country was founded on the principle of community, commonality, interdependence and mutuality. “WE” the people (not “I” the rugged individual) pledged together to form a more perfect “UNION” (not a disassociated amalgam of me-first cowboys and unreconstructed rebels), to establish justice and insure domestic tranquility; to provide for the “COMMON” defense (not the defense of lone rangers or people just like me and mine); to promote the “GENERAL” (meaning ‘of the whole’, not simply of those deemed ‘worthy’) welfare; and to insure the blessings of liberty to “OURSELVES” (not ‘myself’) and “OUR” (not ‘my’) posterity…

    That’s who we are. It’s in our DNA as Americans. Every time we have moved away from that moral compass (in the age of the robber barons, the Gilded Age, the era of Trickle Down social Darwinism) we have paid a steep price. We’re paying such a price now. People like Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson knew this. Hell, even Dick Nixon knew it.

    It’s fine to want government out of our lives. No taxes. No rules about clean air, water or soil. No standards for safe meat or medicine. No paved roads or working airports. One can pray for that all he wants.

    But if it’s really your heart’s desire, you might want to look elsewhere. Despite the best efforts of Tea Party America, it’s probably not going to happen any time soon.

    But there IS a Libertarian paradise on Planet Earth. There are no taxes…no intrusive government rules about guns…no annoying standards limiting parasites in water or carcinogens in the air you breath. It’s called Somalia. The weather is just dandy. The people are friendly. And as an added bonus for those reading this post who are Libertarian on fiscal issues but religious right on social issues (like good ‘ol Rand Paul) — you have the added bonus in Somalia of no legal abortions for any reason, no homosexuals (if they exist, they certainly stay well closeted for fear of losing their heads) and plenty of “ol time religion”.

    Save your pennies for a plane ticket! (You may, of course, need to land in Nairobi or Djbouti as I am not sure there are working airports in Mogadishu these days. Or, if there are, I’d have my insurance up to date.)

    Yes, Atlas Shrugged.

    But Jesus wept.

    Jim

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  10. Ed Darrell says:

    But, James, I don’t want IAmRising to shut up. I genuinely want to know where in Agenda 21 he or she finds anything remotely oppressive or socialist, or more importantly, a bad idea.

    Soil conservation is the means to preserve our nation. Throughout history, civilizations have fallen most often when their conservation practices go out the window or are frustrated by natural causes.

    Opposing Agenda 21 seems to me to be rather like favoring the Visigoths over Rome, while one is a citizen of Rome.

    I’d like to know how anyone comes to such a position.

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  11. Ed Darrell says:

    I challenged IAmRising to defend his false charges: “Can you describe a single Agenda 21 intiative, document that it’s real, and tell us why you oppose it? What about drought relief? Private companies building wind generators? Soil conservation? Which of those do you oppose — and why?”

    IAmRising said:

    Federal government calling for, demanding, regulating, and insisting by threat of fine or confinement (if you do not cooperate, you will be fined, if you do not pay the fine, you will be arrested and jailed.)

    Please specify any part of Agenda 21 discussions, especially under the current president’s Rural Council, which requires you to do anything? Where is there any fine for failing to do someething? (Hint: Nowhere is there any fine.) Where is there any jail time? (Hint: Nowhere — that would require legislation, and more than just cooperation.)

    I pointed out that your charges are false. I asked that, if you disagree, you specify which provisions of any law, regulation, or anything else, you find so onerous. You have not specified anything at all.

    I repeat: Your charges are scurrilous, false, and completely without warrant.

    so·cial·ism

    noun /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/ 

    A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Weird definition, a bit. You think that people banding together to start a school is socialism? You think municipal government is socialism? You think zoning laws, that keep gasoline stations away from elementary schools, are socialism?

    If so, no wonder you see monsters under your bed. You know, though, they’re still just monsters under the bed — that is, figments of imagination (whether yours or someone else’s).

    In economics, socialism is usually defined with von Mises’s classic line, that it’s when the government owns or controls the means of production. Of course, Agenda 21 features no government ownership of production, and the UN is specific about aiding free enterprise in farming and food production; and in the U.S., the government neither owns nor controls production of anything (not even weapons systems).

    Anytime you advocate a federal, or representative government mandating civic regulations powered by taxation of the public, you have a socialist government and socialist people.

    I don’t think public roads are socialism. Speed limits and stop signs aren’t socialism.

    There’s nothing beyond those kinds of regulations in Agenda 21 — and not even those regulations are there.

    That is what I am against. I can take care of my own soil, I do not have the right to tell you what you can do with yours. I definitely do not have the right to tax you to contribute towards funding my “better” soil projects.

    I have no problem with grassroots coalitions voluntarily combining resources, wealth, and manpower into the education and propagation of good views: clean earth, clear air, pure water, harnessing of fire (sunlight.) Absolutely no problem. I am one. I ran a local recyclery on my property’s alley side in my business district until the city finally installed one, and transported the collections daily myself without pay or donations. I closed a flourishing vinyl sign shop because of the pollution generated from start to finish by vinyl. I championed, proselytized and succeeded in removal of fluoride from our town water supply.

    Not a bad guy :)

    So, in practice, you’re an Agenda 21-style socialist?

    But, I think the one who should be shamed is anyone who denies our brother’s right to expression of their perspective. You may see your Agenda 21 as a good thing, those who practice individual liberty do not. You may see these acts as legitimizing an imaginary right to control other people’s lifestyles to your standards, those who practice individual liberty do not.

    Actually, all I’ve done is pointed out that you posted total falsehoods about Agenda 21. I’ve called your bluff, and pointed others to accurate information. It’s a free market of ideas, and I’ve put out a better product, one grounded in facts.

    Free markets, you know?

    I am a libertarian, not a socialist.

    And under a libertarian structure, if you catch me telling falsehoods, what’s the remedy?

    All these programs are funded by reaching into the public pocket. I am against that. People may voluntarily contribute, they must not be regulated or forced to.

    That is immoral.

    Again, I ask that you specify which programs you find offensive. Drought relief? Surely you’re not going to argue that you as an individual land owner can fight the drought all on your own. Economic development planning? Surely you don’t reject the George Washington/Ben Franklin models of communities working together to encourage business.

    Nor would any of that rationally fall into a category of socialism.

    So what are you complaining about? Please be specific. You’ve mention taxes and coercion, but you’ve pointed to nothing in either category that has actually happened.

    You can chop up my message again but honestly you’re not very fun to talk to. You’re the kind of person that thinks it’s ok to demand everyone participate in one way of life, and, you’re the kind of person that has “wall of shame” instead of “wall of honor”. You chop up people’s messages so you can be nitpicky and rude for no reason.

    I haven’t chopped up your message at all. It’s posted right here in its entirety. I’ve pointed out where you retold whopping falsehoods.

    I find making false claims about policy to be rude. Making false claims against good people is, by definition, rude. How ironic that you complain it’s rude to ask you to back your claims.

    I am a person you know, I have better things to do than converse with negative people.

    I’m a person who has no better thing to do than hold information purveyors to a standard of truth. This is serious stuff we’re talking here — will our grandchildren have adequate food and water? Will their air be clean? Will they have opportunities for education, for work, to raise their own families?

    You have put up a fog that is intended to frustrate all of that.

    Stealing freedom from future generations, I think, is bad stuff. It’s beyond rude.

    And so, I think it not rude to question your claims.

    Do you have any evidence to support your claims? Not yet. Can you explain why you post slanders on our government, and on good-faith efforts of others to work for future economic development for a free world?

    You claim to oppose socialism, and you claim to be libertarian — but your tactics don’t support those claims.

    Also, you quoted something from the TRANSCRIPT, not me, and claimed I wrote it.

    All I wrote was, again, “either this is devilry, or this is something the people should be aware of.”

    If you were just posting a transcript, why are you complaining when I point out it’s false? It’s not yours after all. Are you genuinely interested in the facts? Or do you have ulterior motives?

    You’re not defending any facts.

    If you’re problem is I didn’t include enough links to your side of the argument, I object. I linked directly to the Agenda itself.

    Yes, you did, but in a very misleading manner. You posting images that go to the real Agenda 21 sites, but then you posted this, as if it came from those sites:

    It is the Agenda for the twenty first century you are living in today.

    For a brave new world where everything that you cherish and hold true will no longer exist.

    Agenda 21 defines itself as the comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally, and locally by organizations of the United Nations systems.

    It elevates nature above man.

    And, it contains something called the “precautionary principle,” where basically you’re guilty until proven innocent.

    “Sustainable Development” is the philosophy designed to bring human beings across the globe under the full control of a narrow human elite.

    Not only is nothing there from the Agenda 21 websites, it’s the direct opposite of what IS at the websites.

    So you posted links, knowing your readers wouldn’t bother to click over to the sites, and then you made false claims about what was on those links.

    Not exactly fair, I think.

    Let people look at this information and make their own judgement calls as to what’s cool in their books.

    Sure. But you should exercise accuracy in labeling. When you post, or retell, whoppers about Agenda 21, you should label it as your own opinion, or at least as something that is NOT from Agenda 21. It’s dishonest to post a link to a site, and then make claims exactly contrary to what one would find at those links, don’t you think?

    So I challenged you to show me where, in Agenda 21 documents, you find anything that supports the claims you made.

    And you have failed to provide any support at all for your claims.

    I’ve looked at your posted claims, yours or not, and I’ve pointed you and others to the correct information.

    Now you attack me for that.

    Don’t claim to be merely sponsoring discussion, when you’re trying to bias the discussion and control it — socialist-style — by poisoning the well, and using falsehoods as the well-poison.

    CHOOSING TO AS AN INDIVIDUAL is what’s cool in mine.
    ROBBING THE PUBLIC is not.

    Peace

    To get peace, we need justice. You’ve committed several injustices, and I’m working to correct that.

    Peace? Apparently only against and over your claims.

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  12. JamesK says:

    To quote:

    A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Anytime you advocate a federal, or representative government mandating civic regulations powered by taxation of the public, you have a socialist government and socialist people.

    Oh so I should be able to buy the properties next to you and dump 50 tons of mercury into the water near your house right?

    Sorry, you still have a fragged up definition of socialism.

    But hey if you don’t like taxes or regulations..I suggest moving to Somalia. It will be more your speed.

    If you don’t know what you’re talking about then do yourself a favor and shut the hell up because you’re only proving your stupidity.

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  13. Iam Rising says:

    Federal government calling for, demanding, regulating, and insisting by threat of fine or confinement (if you do not cooperate, you will be fined, if you do not pay the fine, you will be arrested and jailed.)

    so·cial·ism

    noun /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/ 

    A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Anytime you advocate a federal, or representative government mandating civic regulations powered by taxation of the public, you have a socialist government and socialist people.

    That is what I am against. I can take care of my own soil, I do not have the right to tell you what you can do with yours. I definitely do not have the right to tax you to contribute towards funding my “better” soil projects.

    I have no problem with grassroots coalitions voluntarily combining resources, wealth, and manpower into the education and propagation of good views: clean earth, clear air, pure water, harnessing of fire (sunlight.) Absolutely no problem. I am one. I ran a local recyclery on my property’s alley side in my business district until the city finally installed one, and transported the collections daily myself without pay or donations. I closed a flourishing vinyl sign shop because of the pollution generated from start to finish by vinyl. I championed, proselytized and succeeded in removal of fluoride from our town water supply.

    Not a bad guy :)

    But, I think the one who should be shamed is anyone who denies our brother’s right to expression of their perspective. You may see your Agenda 21 as a good thing, those who practice individual liberty do not. You may see these acts as legitimizing an imaginary right to control other people’s lifestyles to your standards, those who practice individual liberty do not.

    I am a libertarian, not a socialist.

    All these programs are funded by reaching into the public pocket. I am against that. People may voluntarily contribute, they must not be regulated or forced to.

    That is immoral.

    You can chop up my message again but honestly you’re not very fun to talk to. You’re the kind of person that thinks it’s ok to demand everyone participate in one way of life, and, you’re the kind of person that has “wall of shame” instead of “wall of honor”. You chop up people’s messages so you can be nitpicky and rude for no reason.

    I am a person you know, I have better things to do than converse with negative people.

    Also, you quoted something from the TRANSCRIPT, not me, and claimed I wrote it.

    All I wrote was, again, “either this is devilry, or this is something the people should be aware of.”

    If you’re problem is I didn’t include enough links to your side of the argument, I object. I linked directly to the Agenda itself.

    Let people look at this information and make their own judgement calls as to what’s cool in their books.

    CHOOSING TO AS AN INDIVIDUAL is what’s cool in mine.
    ROBBING THE PUBLIC is not.

    Peace

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  14. Ed Darrell says:

    That’s what opposition to Agenda 21 is about. It’s about opposing aggressive mandatory socialist regimes.

    My concern here is your hoax claim — perhaps not original with you, but still a hoax — that there is any “aggressive mandatory socialist regime” affiliated with Agenda 21. Generally I challenge people who make unfounded claims like that to quote from Agenda 21 documents about where there might be anything socialist, or mandatory, or aggressive. You offer nothing to evidence any of that at your site.

    In fact, it appears you swallow gullibly a hoax PowerPoint presentation. Woody Allen once wrote that people will assume it’s God if it’s a well-modulated voice in the night. It appears to me Agenda 21 opponents assume anything on a PowerPoint is gospel.

    For example, you wrote at your site:

    The “Green Goal” includes the listings of what’s NOT sustainable.
    A couple of the examples include,

    Private Property
    Fossil Fuels
    Golf Courses and Ski Lodges
    Consumerism
    Irrigation is not sustainable.
    Paved Roads
    Commercial Agriculture
    Herbicides, Pesticides
    Farmlands, Pastures, Graving of Livestock,
    The family unit

    That’s complete fiction. Agenda 21 encourages private property, doesn’t militate against fossil fuels, says nothing bad about golf courses or ski lodges, urges the harnessing of wise consumerism, suggests more irrigation, says nothing bad about paved roads, specifically calls for commercial agriculture, is not opposed to herbicides or pesticides, encourages development of farmlands, pastures and grazing (I assume you meant grazing, and not “graving”), and specifically calls for strengthening family units.

    What you claim at your site is exactly opposite of Agenda 21.

    What in the world is your agenda?

    Have you ever actually read any of the Agenda 21 proposals? I cite exactly the White House description of Agenda 21 program in the U.S. — which of those offers what you describe, “socialist, mandatory, aggressive” programs? Be specific, please. I’m curious to know what you consider socialism — your definition certainly does not fit with any definition offered by reasonable people in the 20th century.

    The idea is that we evolve naturally, on our own, into a conscientious, aware, and enlightened species – never under threat of fine or confinement.

    Yes, that’s an intention of Agenda 21. But you say you oppose that. I’d say I’m confused, but it’s really you who seems to be at sea on this.

    I’m sorry you’re a socialist, it happens to the best of us.

    Well, you may be sorry. But I’m no socialist. Again, you present evidence that you’re viewing thing throw a foggy and unfocused lens.

    Can you describe a single Agenda 21 intiative, document that it’s real, and tell us why you oppose it? What about drought relief? Private companies building wind generators? Soil conservation? Which of those do you oppose — and why?

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  15. Iam Rising says:

    Lol, that was fun. I guess you didn’t read my post, or you would have seen that I was curious, dumbfounded and having spookytime fun. In fact I stated pretty clearly that I don’t get into NWO stuff.

    Iamrising recycles, eats 100% raw vegan (for years,) jogs to work, and wears organic clothes – but I don’t think it should be mandatory.

    I don’t think I have the right to hold you or someone else up at gunpoint to abide by my standards.

    I don’t think I have the right to authorize a government agent to uphold my WAY OF LIFE standards either.

    That’s what opposition to Agenda 21 is about. It’s about opposing aggressive mandatory socialist regimes.

    The idea is that we evolve naturally, on our own, into a conscientious, aware, and enlightened species – never under threat of fine or confinement.

    I’m sorry you’re a socialist, it happens to the best of us.

    Peace :)

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  16. Ed Darrell says:

    I left a comment asking Ted Cruz to explain why he opposes saving Texas farms and ranches, and calling on him to change his policies to support saving Texas from another Dust Bowl and acting to fight our current drought and the damage drought has done especially to beef ranchers.

    Bet the comment never sees the light of day at Cruz’s blog. Want to wager? http://www.tedcruz.org/blog/2012/01/20/stop-agenda-21-the-constitution-should-be-our-only-%E2%80%9Cagenda-%E2%80%9D/

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