Friday came and went. President Obama did as he was scheduled to do, chairing a session of the United Nations Security Council in a meeting directed at nuclear weapons non-proliferation.
This should have silenced some of the cranks, crackpots, crank scientists and hoaxters who had “warned” us that Obama was going to use that opportunity to take over the world and order people to get inoculated against influenza — with some unstated fears that those inoculations would be more dangerous than the flu itself, or turn us all into Volvo-driving, chablis-loving, union-belonging, line-dancing Democrats, or something like that.
No. Never such luck.
At the post where I debunked the claim that WHO is planning to take over the world with inoculations at the point of a gun, instead of with Auric Goldfinger, SMERSH, KAOS, or Lex Luther, a guy named Simon McDermott complains I don’t give him enough credence. His letter doesn’t help.
Look: The World Health Organization is a group of distinguished medical care specialists, public health specialists, and policy wonks, most of whom are too nerdy to want to hold great power — heading up WHO is a stepping stone to no great governmental power position anyone has ever found, least of all at the United Nations, which has no army, no troops of its own of any sort, and advises nations on bettering health care.
The claim that WHO is plotting to take over the world is not just moonbat-shagging silly, it’s completely insane. It makes no sense on any level, nor is there any evidence to corroborate the claims. Jane Burgermeister’s website notwithstanding, I have my doubts that she could demonstrate mental competence to enlist as a private in the Russian armed forces.
Moreover, the world faces a crisis in influenza. With luck and a lot of hard work, we can avoid a spread of a killer flu virus that might make Zero Population Growth look optimistic. We don’t need hoaxsters, pranksters and fools claiming that influenza is all a great hoax.
I am a freelance writer and have heavily researched the ‘well known’ and ‘established facts’ written in my article that I posted in my previous comment.
The facts are that the H1N1 vaccine has not been safely tested. It takes years to accurately test and research the effects of a new vaccine.
I have posted a link above to the Mail Online a highly respected national newspaper here in Britain.
The article says that health officials say the vaccine has been thoroughly tested. No one in the article offers any credible denial of that fact. The headlines feature an earlier poll of general practitioners alleging that they said the vaccine had not been tested well enough.
Simon: An out-of-date, nonscientific poll of GPs in Britain who were underinformed, is not science.
Nor is your reading that story doing “heavy research.” Googling is not generally considered serious research.
‘First, you exaggerate. Second, that outbreak and the aftereffects are very much on the minds of health officials. Guillan Barre was never linked to the vaccine, by the way. Get some facts, will you?’
This is established fact; although experts now believe that it will be more like one in one million that will contract GBS rather than one in ten thousand.
No, a badly researched, poorly produced story on a local CBS affiliate, migrated to YouTube, does not make something “established fact.”
GBS is rare, but occurs all the time. We don’t know the cause, and no one has been able to pin any vaccine as a cause of GBS. After several million people were vaccinated, a few fell ill from GBS. No research has ever been able to establish any vaccine as a cause of GBS, however — it may be that those people would have fallen ill with GBS whether they got any vaccine or not. See the CDC’s information page on GBS:
What causes GBS?
It is thought that GBS may be triggered by an infection. The infection that most commonly precedes GBS is caused by a bacterium called Campylobacter jejuni. Other respiratory or intestinal illnesses and other triggers may also precede an episode of GBS. In 1976, vaccination with the swine flu vaccine was associated with getting GBS. Several studies have been done to evaluate if other flu vaccines since 1976 were associated with GBS. Only one of the studies showed an association. That study suggested that one person out of 1 million vaccinated persons may be at risk of GBS associated with the vaccine.
We’ve had that many kids die of swine flu already this year, in Dallas and Tarrant counties in Texas. Right now, GBS from all causes is less prevalent than deaths from swine flu.
Also here is a list of dangerous substances that are in other vaccines; we can also expect similar material to be in the swine flu vaccine.
Did you know that potatoes contain carcinogens? Are you aware that the essential nutrient, selenium, is also carcinogenic? Did you know that an excess of salt can kill a person? Are you aware that plain old tap water can be deadly, in several ways?
Gosh, a list of “dangerous substances.” Did you look at the list? Did you see that the “dangerous substances” include eggs and yeast? Are you aware that almost every loaf of bread in America contains more eggs and yeast than three years’ worth of all vaccines for a person?
You’re being irresponsible to the point of recklessness. Yes, people with allergies to eggs should avoid flu vaccines. No, that doesn’t mean the vaccines are inherently dangerous, that they vaccines don’t work, nor does it mean eggs are inherently dangerous.
It means people who are allergic to eggs should avoid flu vaccines (vaccines are grown in eggs, and some egg proteins remain in influenza vaccines).
Almost all substances are dangerous, when out of place, or in the wrong quantities. You could note that fact without alarmism and without hysterics. Dangerous things are all around us. Flu vaccines fall near the bottom of the danger scales, but near the top of the life-saving scale.
You’re aware that we annually lose around 30,000 people to the pedestrian, seasonal flu? How many thousands of times greater is the risk of death to flu than death by vaccine?
Research has shown that there are plenty of natural preventative actions that can be taken to protect against catching flu viruses. These are a healthy organic diet, vitamins; such as vitamin D3, regular exercise and certain herbs – all of these are known to boost and strengthen the immune system.
Staying healthy is always a good idea. H1N1, however, attacks healthy kids. It’s not a question of natural prevention. Some people have never been exposed to this particular strain or its cousins, and they have no natural immunity to it. When it strikes, it strikes quickly. Most of the deaths in the U.S. from H1N1 are to young people who have taken your natural preventive actions. Vitamins and organic diets don’t work.
In fact, that’s dangerous advice right there. A medical professional could be subject to malpractice for the advice you just issued. Kids, Simon is an amateur — don’t try that at home.
I used to regularly take the seasonal flu vaccine before finding out the dangers of vaccines in general; on the two occasions that I did take it I ended up getting flu shortly after taking the vaccine. Since then I have not taken it and decided to go down the alternative route, which has served me very well as I have not had so much as a cold in over three years.
As people grow older they have fewer colds — you never get the same cold virus twice. When you’re over 30 or 40, you’ve been exposed to most of the variations on cold viruses. Your reduction in colds is because you’re older, not because you’re healthier.
Ironically, that’s exactly what you argue against. You’re more resistant to colds because you’ve been “vaccinated” against them. The vaccination was natural, by catching the viruses and developing immunity. For flu, we have to have flu shots for the greatest safety.
Don’t argue against flu vaccines by telling us how effectively the natural method of vaccination has protected you from colds, okay? You look like an idiot when you do that, suggesting you really don’t understand viruses, how they are passed, nor how human immunity occurs.
Since you seem so eager to poison your body with a substance which is clearly more dangerous than swine flu itself, then who am I to stand in your way.
That’s just a crass, cold and craven lie. There is not even an insane argument to be made that flu vaccines this year are more dangerous than the flu itself. That’s crazy talk, terrorist talk. What do you have against old people that you want to see thousands of them die from the flu? Since the “death panels” claim turned out to be bogus, you decided to go on a one-man campaign to encourage death among the elderly and ill?
Since you are so eager to poison minds with completely bogus attacks on science, let me urge you to volunteer to forego all flu vaccines, but be exposed to the viruses, for the sake of research. That way the rest of us could benefit from your bizarre animus to life.
I am sorry to hear that there have been a couple of deaths where you live due to swine flu, but there are much safer alternative and natural preventative actions that can be taken. A healthy nutritionally rich diet should be first on the list before we even consider vaccines, of which there is a huge amount of evidence calling into question, their overall safety and effectiveness when fighting disease.
Call the CDC. Volunteer for flu exposure now, before the rush. You’re not sure that the vaccines are safe, but you argue that the flu IS safe? Let’s see you put your life where your mouth is.
I don’t think you’re that big a fool. Your that whopping dishonest, but not so big a fool.
The problem is that the majority of western doctors are taught absolute fallacies at medical school and in some cases have been brought up to become nothing more than glorified pill prescribers.
The human immune is an extremely powerful and efficient tool when it comes to fighting disease. The reason that it is susceptible to diseases like swine flu at all is because our diets are so nutritionally poor. In many cases this is due to processed foods (filled with additives and preservatives) and poisons such as aspartame in many of our soft drinks.
I have posted a link above to a site that lists natural preventives and explains that viruses such as swine flu cannot be contracted by a healthy well maintained immune system.
Don’t look now, but you’re obviously suffering a dementia produced by lack of immunity.
In your case, that dementia could be cured with a trip to a library.
What you wrote in that last excerpt is pure, unadulterated bullshit.
Thank you, but we’ve already heard the “smart pills” joke.
I am not a ‘crack pot’ and neither are others who show a distinct lack of trust in bodies like the WHO and companies such as Baxter, because history has taught us that they have seriously let us down in the past.
You mean, you advocate crackpot ideas for noble reasons? Alas, that leaves you in the category of crackpot. Anyone who thinks killer flu is safer than vaccines is a crackpot, or an idiot, or an agent of evil. I’m assuming you’re not an idiot, and not an agent of evil. Can you convince me otherwise?
If after examining the evidence that I have provided you still believe that the vaccine is safe, then be my guest, take it, it is your right to choose, but please do not belittle with your derogatory use of humour those who do not!
The reason I talk about this information is because I want people to be safe, and nobody wants a repeat of the 1976 debacle.
Better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Shut up. Nobody wants a repeat of the 1918 debacle, either — and you should be ashamed of campaigning for it as you are.
If we all lived clean and healthy natural lives then there would be no need for vaccines at all.
There you go with that crackpot stuff again. If you think that chicken pox and shingles would disappear without vaccines, you’re a fool. If you fail to understand that polio can’t be beaten without vaccines, you’re a greater fool.
If you claim that people could beat chicken pox, smallpox, measles and polio without vaccines, you’re a dangerous tool of crackpot evil.
Maybe it is our social system that needs a rethink, because if you examine Amazonian tribal communities, who have had little to no contact with the outside world, you find a distinct lack of disease in these societies.
There’s a whopper I’d like to see some serious studies on.
That testifies to a lack of virus transmission, but you will also find a distinct surplus of diseases that diet can’t cure. Someday spend some time studying Huntington’s Disease, Huntington’s Chorea, and how the prevalence of the disease in one of those isolated Amazonian tribes contributed to the search for a cause. Of course, almost every member of that tribe had the disease. (It’s genetic, and no vaccine can prevent or cure — yet.) You’ll also find they die of bacterial diseases that modern medicine can treat — those physicians you mock.
Dirty living equals disease; an unclean polluted environment equals disease; the addition of chemicals to our food, drink and drinking water equals disease; when are we going to wake up and realise that the cause of disease is not some unknown, unfortunate ‘random factor’, but the way we live our lives.
Of course, clean living increases asthma. A lack of pollution tends to correlate with lack of civilization. The absence of chlorine in our drinking water contributes to cholera epidemics and typhoid, the lack of fluorine in our water means more dental caries and brain infections. Trace amounts of iodine in salt have all but eliminated goiter. When are you going to wake up and realize that some disease causes are well known, some diseases easily preventable, and life is complex and cannot be made perfectly safe with today’s technology, but was a minefield of deadly infections without today’s technology?
If we live our lives soaked in superstition and crank science, we haven’t even a prayer (full irony intended). You’re not advocating for better health. You’re ranting about stuff you don’t know about.
Although in the case of Baxter the cause of the so called ’swine flu virus’ may well have been them!
I think there’s a better case that you are the cause of swine flu than there is a case that any drug company manufactured the stuff. Among other clues you should look at is the prevalence of swine flu in swine populations around the world — today and historically. Influenza viruses tend to be species specific, and it’s actually quite rare for them to jump species. That’s why, when they jump, they can be so deadly.
But then, that’s what you’re campaigning for, right? You’d love to see a virus wipe out most people, especially those with scientific knowledge — right, Simon?
Get an education about flu and other viruses:
- Centers for Disease Control page on 2009-2010 flu viruses
- Tara Smith, at Aetiology, “Why I’ll be getting my kids their flu vaccines”; also “What does WHO’s pandemic scale mean? And why is anyone worried about this?”
- Public Health experts puzzle over why H1N1 is so much more deadly for kids
- A real physician explains why he got his flu shot
- revere at Effects Measure explains why one should always get a flu vaccine
Don’t let your friends go without this information, please: