Voodoo historian: Harun Yahya and anti-evolution in Turkey


Voodoo historian and crank scientist “Harun Yahya” (it’s a pseudonym) has done the Rev. D. James Kennedy one better — he’s sending books to school libraries in Turkey claiming that Darwin is responsible for terrorism.

For years U.S. creationists have bragged about their reach into Turkey and Islam. Whether Moslems regard it as a toe-hold for Christianity, or whether American creationists have any compunction about working to stir up religious strife in Moslem nations, sane people who work for peace, justice and knowledge should be concerned.

In a chutzpa-filled claim that would take away the breath of Baron Munchausen, Yahya claims that Darwin is reponsible for fascism, communism and terrorism — never mind that fascists, communists and terrorists generally denounce Darwin and espouse the views of Yahya on evolution.

Seed magazine explains:

To find the front lines of a culture war in Turkey, walk into a kebab shop in the Uskudar district of Istanbul. Meat sizzles on metal skewers, and Persian carpets adorn the walls. Look closely and you’ll find a portrait of Charles Darwin—framed in dripping blood.

This is a “creation museum,” the brainchild of Adnan Oktar. He’s the 50-year-old founder of Bilim Araştirma Vakfi (“Scientific Research Foundation”), a creationist organization mounting one of the most potent offensives against evolution outside of the United States.

And later in the same article:

Turkey is among the most Western of Muslim nations. It teaches evolution in its schools, but, even so, appears to be losing the science education battle. In 1985 the minister of education mandated that creationism be included in science textbooks. By the late 1990s, the BAV was attacking scientists who opposed a creationist curriculum via slander and death threats. The cumulative damage to science has been significant. Ümit Sayin, a neurologist at Istanbul University and outspoken critic of Turkish creationism, estimates that the number of university-educated Turks who understand evolution has dropped to 20 percent from 40 percent over the past 15 years.

BAV, founded in 1990, grew from the Turkish fringe into a global media empire. Oktar claims to have 4.5 million followers worldwide, who read his hundreds of books and essays and have seen the dozens of television documentaries that BAV produces and provides free of charge to Turkish TV stations. BAV’s Web sites offer downloadable PowerPoint presentations and questions to challenge science teachers. The foundation organizes anti-evolution conferences and petitions and runs a telemarketing scheme to sell books by Harun Yahya (Oktar’s pen name), which are available globally in 29 languages. Only Oktar and his lieutenants seem to know where the money for all these initiatives comes from, and they’re not telling.

That’s pretty impressive: A group rises to power with terroristic threats against academics, and then charges that those same academics are the terrorists.

One might wonder why the death threats would be necessary, were there any truth to the claims against Darwin. Yahya prefers the fear that academics might feel. Chilling free speech and serious academic discussion is his goal.

Reuters reports in AlArab:

“Atlas of Creation” offers over 500 pages of splendid images comparing fossils with present-day animals to argue that Allah created all life as it is and evolution never took place.

Then comes a book-length essay arguing that Darwinism, by stressing the “survival of the fittest,” has inspired racism, Nazism, communism and terrorism.

“The root of the terrorism that plagues our planet is not any of the divine religions, but atheism, and the _expression of atheism in our times (is) Darwinism and materialism,” it says.

One Istanbul school unexpectedly received three copies recently. “It’s very well done, with magnificent photos – a very stylish tool of creationist propaganda,” said the headmaster, who asked not to be named.

Such a campaign highlights the importance of making sure that good science is taught in U.S. schools. Crank claims of voodoo science and voodoo history will harm our scientific and educational institutions, cripple our technological abilities, and leave the nation behind in critical areas of research, such as disease prevention and cure, and the treatment of biological attacks by terrorists.

Next time you hear a creationist in the U.S. making the same claims that this Islamic group makes, ask them whose side they are really on in the struggle against terrorism, and in the fight for peace and justice.

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Update: Yahya makes Larry Moran look positively calm, cool and collected. Go see the Moran controversy, Moran’s view, Brayton’s view, Myers’ view.

Oh, what the heck — here’s the first salvo at Telic Thoughts, too. You’re a smart reader, you won’t be suckered in. Will Telic Thoughts bloggers defend Yahya’s work as “academic freedom,” or will they see it for the voodoo science and history that it is?

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19 Responses to Voodoo historian: Harun Yahya and anti-evolution in Turkey

  1. Garry Scholey says:

    Seline Cara, you are ignorant of even the basic facts of evolution. Instead of humiliating yourself in displays of ignorance why don’t you read Richard Dawkins latest book The greatest Show on Earth. It will show you why scientists see evolution as the very best explanation for the diversity of living beings and reject religious mythologies.

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  2. Brian Knox says:

    Seline Cara. My irony meter exploded when I read your incredibly stupid post.
    “Evolution…this is an incredible story”
    What? And a giant invisible sky fairy called God/Allah/Yahweh just wishing everything into existence isn’t an incredible story?
    Evolution has evidence to back it up.If you don’t believe me, take your head out of your a– and google “evolution evidence” then engage your brain.
    “Apples evolve into grapes and stones into alligators…”Sounds very biblical if you ask me. Try reading about real science and real evolutionary theory instead of getting it wrong.
    “Creation should be a fact.” But it has no factual evidence to support it. While evolution has mountains and mountains of evidence to support it. You lose.
    Questioning is everything. Science is better than religious dogma, because it actively seeks to know about the real world and questions why things are the way they are. It does not rely on an ancient book written by primitive camel herders that wiped their backsides with their hands.
    Only a moron would claim that Darwinian evolution is not a source for scientific research. And you Celine are a moron. That is if you are a real person, and not some mockery posted on the net by someone having a laugh at dumbf— creationists.

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  3. Ed Darrell says:

    So, may I assume you have not bothered to read Darwin’s explanation for eye evolution?

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  4. teb says:

    harun’s arguments should be taken on their merit/demerit. who cares what the finger pointing at moon looks like? look at moon!

    it is foolish to argue that thousands of transitional forms have been found. what is a transitional form? it is a form in a gradation between one species and another. thus, show us a form which a grade between a thumb in the first digit and a finger. what the heck is that going to be? i don’t know, but since you believe in it, show it to me. show me a grade between a light-sensitive cell and a mammalian eye. not the eyes of trilobytes, which are complete in themselves, nor any other perfectly useful eye, but one which is a transitional form, clearly showing origins and destination. this is a transitional form. and for the person above who knows of thousands of transitional forms, well, present one of them to harun yahya and claim the $8 million prize!

    arguing about evolution is like arguing about religion itself. it so happens that i am not a creationist, i just accept that we don’t know (yet) how all this came into being. but on both sides of the divide, there are those who lie to themselves and to others. small gradations are not to be seen anywhere. cockroaches have been cockroaches for hundreds of millions of years; no one can present a series of fossils showing a set of animals going from a short-necked animal to giraffe-necked animals which are clearly related. trying to be superior and talking nonsens about lowering the IQ by 15 to 20 points is just demeaning and demonstrably no kind of science at all.

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  5. harun yahya says:

    about harun yahya?

    visit it: http://www.harunyahya.com

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  6. Ed Darrell says:

    Visit Harun Yahya? Why? To kick the yayas out?

    Reading the dreck this bunch publishes probably lowers one’s IQ by 15 to 20 points. It’s like sucking the intelligence right out of you.

    Or, learn a bit about evolution. Join the Boy Scouts and swear to be trustworthy, helpful, courteous, kind, friendly and reverent — and thus steeled against iniquity, go to Harun Yahya to laugh.

    Moslems once were leaders in the sciences. Why does Harun Yahya campaign against such wonderful achievements? What good does it do Harun Yahya if Turks are ignorant? What good does it do the Turks?

    Whose side is Adnan Oktar really on?

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  7. Mahdi's companian says:

    I would just like to say that I have seen signs from the sky and earth and from the people that Mahdi is soon going to come. I just want to say to everyone, embrace Islam, the true religion. The religion of Abraham,Moses,David and Jesus. Believe in Allah and believe in prophet Muhammad (saas). The Mahdi is coming. The Mahdi is coming. Every other religions will soon fall and only Islam will rule. The will of Allah.

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  8. t h ray says:

    Sorry, I must have made a mistake in attempting to reply to Igrar earlier, who wrote:

    “Just look at your life and destiny don’t you see that an invisible hand has interfered into your
    life and changed something?”

    No, of course not. If one assigns a value to one’s
    personal beliefs, there is just as much truth to the
    assertion that no hand exists, as there is in your
    assertion. So what?

    Beliefs aside, nature as a self organized
    phenomenon is much richer and more
    impressive. One doesn’t have to believe
    in it. No belief can even come close to the
    facts.

    So far as your “infinite transitions” in
    the fossil record goes, this tired creationist
    canard is easily refuted with the simplest logic:
    what is between 1/2 and 1/4? Between 1/4
    and 1/8? And so on. Betweeness is infinite;
    fossils are finite.

    Tom

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  9. Ray C. says:

    Would Seline Cara and Igrar please learn what the theory of evolution actually says, before throwing up the usual strawman arguments?

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  10. [...] Suz at Large WordPress.com blogs have all been blocked in Turkey.   By lawyers representing a nutcase activist.   Who seems to threaten slander against anyone who dares write about him in an unflattering [...]

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  11. Harun Yahya is a moron.

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  12. www19org says:

    I am Edip Yuksel, who is mentioned by Adnan Oktar and his followers.

    Adnan Oktar is a cult leader who have enslaved many children of rich and elite. His sexual and mental abuse of his subjects is a well known fact to Turkish people. His confession in police alone, which is corroborated by his former followers to details, is sufficient to put him behind bars. But so far, money, connections, blackmail and all the tricks available to his wellconnected and super rich followers have kept him out of trouble. But his days are numbered and now there is a major case against him in Turkish courts for black mail and illegal activities.

    He has censored hundreds, yes hundreds of websites exposing his abusive dealings in his cult. By using backward laws in Turkish legal system, he was able to ban my site. Though I hired an attorney in Turkey from Arizona, and though I transferred the article from http://www.19.org (which was very popular among progressive minded muslims in Turkey) to another site, and though my attorney removed the court’s order for ban, yes despite all of those, his cult was able to use their informants and connections in Turkish Telecom to keep my site blocked for Turkish population.

    I am a Turkish author and escaped to the United State for my freedom of expression. Unfortunately, during my last visit I had to appear at the Turkish court because Adnan and his followers sued me for frivolous claims. They tried their best to make me get arrested. They even used their trolls at airport police station to stop me from coming back my home in the USA. After I left Turkey, they submitted to Turkish prosecutors some of my article critical of repressive laws, Turkish military’s meddling with politics, and racist policies against Kurds. I recently learned that, upon this audacious cult’s campaign against me, there are now several charges against me in Turkish courts, and I am sought by police.

    Below is the article that has made the paranoid cult leader so furious, leading him to put me on the top of his long list “enemies.” (The article is now posted at the following site and is blocked to Turkish population: http://www.yahyaharun.com ).

    Harun Yahya or Adnan Oktar: The Promised Mahdi?
    by Edip Yuksel

    The following article is mostly a personal criticism of a public figure. However, I am not committing the logical fallacy known as ad hominem, since the attack is relevant to the argument and is justified. After reading the article, you will decide it for yourself.

    Adan Oktar, who later started using the nickname Harun Yahya, was my apprentice in mid 1980’s. In our first meeting, I was a famous Sunni author and political activist, and he was an unknown Sunni zealot influenced by the books of the Kurdish Mullah, Said Nursi. At that time, my books were making editions after editions and I had hundreds of thousands readers, yet I had no special group of mine. He was not famous then, but he had a few dozen followers among university students. He was in his late twenties, a college drop-out, unemployed, and was living with his mother in an apartment located in a middle class neighborhood at Ortakoy, Istanbul. He had a long black beard, soft voice, smiling face, childish jokes, and most importantly a well calculated plan for his assumed mission.

    Adnan was mixing mysticism with scientific rhetoric and presenting it gently and in a modern fashion to the children of the privileged class, without intimidating them. He was a refined and urbanized version of Said Nursi. Ironically, unlike beardless Said, he was fond of his well-groomed stylish beard. (Religious clerics, on the other hand, managed to grow ugly-looking beards by cutting their mustache short and shaving their hair, resembling Franciscan monks). This proved to be a magic solution. He would always keep a certain distance between himself and his followers and would treat them as if they were his children, though he was only seven or ten years older than them. He would pat the heads of his young pupils and encourage them to work for the mission and they would accept this charming and patronizing treatment with delight. He was targeting the university students and especially the handsome children of the rich and affluent. They would pull each other to the circle.

    Meanwhile, when I was doing my mandatory military service in Samsun in 1986, I started communicating with Rashad Khalifa. After several rounds of hot snail-mail discussions and upon reading his landmark book, Quran, Hadith, and Islam, I decided to dedicate my religion to God alone. I shared my newly discovered faith with my close friends, including Adnan Oktar. He was very receptive. He would frequently ask me questions and convey the information to his followers. He was trying his best to keep our meetings secret from his followers. Then I did not know the reason, and I did not care much. I thought he was considering my style too bold and my culture too rural. He was right: when discussing political or religious issues, I did not care much about people’s cloths, wealth, or their personal feelings. But in retrospect I know the real reason behind this secrecy: he was thinking that my presence would jeopardize his charisma and dilute his influence over them. He wanted his followers to think that he was receiving a special information or inspiration from God. He did not know Arabic but he was clever enough to dupe the unquestioning gullible followers and give them the impression that he knew a lot. He was considering me as a potential rival in his mission.

    To my dismay, later I discovered that his interest in the message was not prompted by his philosophical quest for truth but by his pragmatic strategy for his political ambitions. He thought that he could use it easily to attract the children of the rich people who had modern life style and culture that was incompatible with the medieval Arab culture which was promoted by the teachings of Hadith and Sunna. He was extremely obsessed with recruiting the handsome children of the rich people wearing expensive cloths. He was not interested in guiding poor people.

    After discovering his intention and his deep belief that he was the promised MAHDI, I cut my relationship with him in 1988. Soon after this, he turned back to his Sunni roots and market. To expose his real face, I had secretly recorded one of my last conversations with him, but later I gave up releasing it. I just did not feel comfortable with the secrecy of my act. I had given the tape to Mustafa and Yelda Sahin, two of his former followers. However, after I was forced to immigrate and start a new life in America, I learned that the tape was handed to Girisim, an Islamist magazine directed by Mehmet Metiner. The magazine published the transcript to warn Sunni Muslims against Adnan’s Machiavellian politics. In the taped conversation I was reprimanding him for cooperating with Sheikh Nazim of Cyprus who had influence among some wealthy British Muslims. He was apologetic and was justifying his relationship for purposes of using Nazim’s influence. I warned him against for such tactics, since I always believed that honesty is a necessary characteristic of being a Muslim. The transcript of this conversation is available on the Internet and was also posted in Turkish forum of http://www.19.org or at http://www.kurannesli.org/bilgibankasi/yazi.asp?id=441 A funny portion of the conversation reveals the childish tactics used by Adnan Oktar to recruit members for his cult. In that portion I was criticizing him for preferring the wealthy. (The transcript refers to Adnan Octar with acronym A.H. for Adnan Hoca, pronounced Hodja, meaning religious teacher):

    A.H.- For instance we purchase a shirt, paying five times more. When the guys see the shirt they come after us.

    E.Y.- Alright, I understand; but a person coming because of a shirt will escape because of another shirt.

    A.H.- No, they cannot escape; they cannot escape!

    Unveiling Adnan’s secret relationship with me and his hypocrisy in his relation with Sunni leaders, in a normal world would mean that he would too be the target of a major attack, threats and excommunication. Surprisingly, despite this scandal, he continued to become a rising star in Sunni market. He was once secretly teaching his followers that Mustafa Kamal Ataturk was the prophesized DAJJAL (deceptor) and later he embraced him for political reasons and declared him a great hero. He is now playing a double game: to appease the Turkish oligarchy he is exploiting Ataturk-worship, and to exploit the Muslim market he is indirectly giving the message that Ataturk was a disbeliever. He played the game of double-speak pretty successfully so far. Adnan has danced among many contradictory positions, but the single conviction he has maintained since early 1980s is “Adnan Oktar is the promised MAHDI.”

    When I was trying to convince him about the message of the Quran Alone he did not insist nor even defended any traditional Sunni precepts, with the exception of hadiths about Mahdi. It amazed me for a short while to see him trying to strike a compromise with me regarding this issue. He wanted me to accept his conversion to the Quran Alone together with his belief about the promised Mahdi. I tried to tell him that the Hadiths about Mahdi were among the most fabricated and unreliable Hadiths, even according to the lousy standards of Hadith experts; they were fabricated by the supporters of Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties to promote the interest of the sultans. To him MAHDI (that is his leadership) was the most important subject. His take on Masons and Zionists is just a strategy to get him an international fame and popularity to finally announce his mission to the world. His cult resembles the modus operandi of Moon or Scientology cult: targeting affluent people and exploiting their resources.

    We met each other in prison too. In December 3, 1986 I was imprisoned second time for promoting a theocratic revolution in Turkey via the first volume of my best-selling book, Interesting Questions. Though I had written that book before my conversion from Sunni Islam to monotheistic islam, the book was not reflecting my hard core revolutionary ideology; it contained some mild hints and innuendos. But, this was sufficient for the government to imprison me since (unaware of my radical transformation) they were trying to deter me from engaging in open and underground political activities.

    I met Adnan in the prison clinic. I was taken there by the doctor who happened to recognize me from my books and conferences; he wanted to save me from the crowded ward which was filled with convicted murderers and burglars. Adnan was there for a different reason, a much different one. He was acting like a paranoid schizophrenic in order to get medical report to dodge the draft. It was ironic, since he was indeed mentally sick; he was a delusional megalomaniac, yet he was cunningly acting for another mental illness. He was successful; he dodged the draft and since then he has been found lacking mental capability to be the subject of criminal law. So, he is getting away with sexual abuses, fraud, libel, blackmailing schemes, and other criminal activities. If Adnan has demonstrated a miracle as a Mahdi, this must be his miracle: he is officially insane and criminally teflon!

    Though Adnan is a lay person by academic standards, he is a gifted manipulator, a patient and highly skilled team manager: he uses various highly efficient psychological devises and marketing gimmicks to depict his image as a divinely ordained leader with a great mission. It would be in the best interest of the naïve and young pupils to join his cause, since soon he will be ruling the entire world and they would be his lucky and powerful aids. Besides, the cult provides a holy club for the children of the rich and well connected; they also get second-hand girls as a fringe benefit. In turn they lose their freedom and part of their identity; but we know that millions of people are ready to trade those precious rights and values to join a cult or a religious organization. Though the dates for victory he has given have been extended several times, who would not be the secretary or the spoke person of the long-awaited great ruler of the entire world? If it is not in 1999, then the victory would come in 2005, or in 2014…. The Jehovah Witnesses have extended the end of the world several times in a century, and Adnan, as I know him, is no less talented than them. After his death, his followers will have enough experience to keep the enthusiasm of the army of the Mahdi until the end of the world! An army comprising of rich, educated and devoted cult members who are experts in cutting and pasting, clipping and editing, in putting together the plagiarized pieces like a jig saw puzzle, and are generous in presenting them to masses under the name of their leader, yes this army is a powerful force. But, there is always the risk of getting into a holy fight for leadership after the Mahdi.

    Adnan’s relation with me became the topic of articles and political analyses in Turkish media, books and magazines (for instance, see Ayet ve Slogan by Ruþen Çakýr, a prominent Turkish journalist), and his frequent turns and twists have been well documented in Turkish media, such as Hurriyet, Milliyet, Radikal, Sabah newspapers. Many of his followers left him with disappointment; but each time a group left him, he was somehow able to maintain his cult by attracting fresh blood from gullible youth ready to become the future rulers of the globe as Mahdi’s close assistants. His former followers were intimidated and blackmailed in sophisticated ways and occasionally in Mafia style. They work like a professional intelligence agency with covert operations and misinformation campaigns. Their habit of getting what they want via blackmail, slander and libel put them in trouble with high ranking Turkish politicians several years ago. As I said above, Adnan showed his miracle: his medical report regarding his mental illness not only saved him from mandatory military service but also from the criminal prosecutions.

    Adnan is not formally educated, neither in science nor in religion, and he is not capable to understand the depth of subjects that are presented in books and videos carrying his nick name. Therefore, you never see him in public debating with experts. A single public discussion on a TV channel would be enough to turn him to the proverbial Naked King. And he may consider this article as my challenge for him: I am ready to meet him in a live debate on TV.

    Adnan uses proxies and gets credit for everything. He uses his medical report and gets away for any criminal charge. There are a lot to learn from Adnan Oktar or the exploiter of the names of two messengers of God, Harun and Yahya! His followers, mostly educated and rich, yet gullible youngsters, work day and night to prepare books and videos mostly plagiarized from works of western scientists and artists. In the end, those collaborative and plagiarized works are all together credited to Harun Yahya. Thus, Harun Yahya is a brand name, an artificial name aimed to boost the personal agenda of Adnan Oktar. For instance, in 1990’s many of the books credited to him were written by his former follower Metin Kimildar who also used the nick name Cavit Yalçin. (Where are you Cavit Yalçin now?! Are you now renting your nick name as a portal for Harun Yahya’s websites or is it taken away from you?). His former student MA, who has long time declared his freedom from the Adnan Oktar wrote most of the books on Evolution. Unfortunately, MA’s books are published under the pen name Harun Yahya and credited to Adnan Oktar. Like many of Adnan’s former students who know well the dirty tricks of their former master, MA too is trying to forget the days when he was a young and naive university student.

    Adnan Oktar strongly believes that he is the MAHDI (the Sunni and Shiite imitation of Messiah) and he has a powerful charisma, the pool of unlimited gullible rich people and a market of more than a billion individuals easily impressed by the work of his followers.

    Knowing him before 1990s, I could not believe that he would be indulging in promiscuous sexual activities, since at that time he was a devout Sunni who was very scrupulous about interacting with women. He would not even shake hands with women. However, according to the media reports and published confessions of his former followers, Adnan has evolved and transformed since. His sexual abuse of girls around him has been the frequent topic of Turkish media and acknowledged by the defectors. He reportedly claims right to have sexual intercourse with every female member of his cult. He has even invented a name for those females: MOTOR (engine). Reportedly, his male followers are feeling lucky in letting him taste their girl friends first.

    For recruiting new members and promoting his brand name, he uses sex, money, popular symbols, and famous people. But the main tool he uses is deception, yet I think he does the deception “righteously”, that is for a good end! He justifies his deceptive propaganda by the abused Quranic word TAQIYYA (this holy hypocrisy is a part of belief system of Shiite sect!) After learning Rashad’s claim of messengership and his argument regarding the definition of Rasul and Nabi, Adnan assumed to be a messenger and expressed this belief to his closest circle. I think later, to be able to access the one-billion-head Muslim market, he went back to his original claim of MAHDI. There he could exploit to the bone. (But, his picking Harun Yahya as his nickname indicates his deep belief in his messengership. Why? Well, here is a clue: because of his ignorance of the Quran, he thinks that Harun was not given any book, so according to him Harun was a messenger but not a prophet!)

    It is a shame to see modern Muslims are duped by this cult leader like their ancestors duped by Ebu Hurayra and the ilk, and it is a shame that the books and videos falsely attributed to him are so popular in Muslim bookstores like the hadith books falsely attributed to Muhammad are so popular. These books and videos are mostly plagiarized collections of western work that mixes truth with falsehood. Science is mixed with pseudo-science, such as ignorant criticisms of the theory of evolution. The message of the Quran is mixed with fabricated hadith, such as the identity and adventures of the Mahdi.

    Knowing the history and the success of many delusional people among the gullible, the popularity and success of this man is no surprise.

    PS: Adnan Oktar has sued me in a Turkish court for defamation. Through his attorneys he asked me to delete this article from the world of Internet. I rejected his request, since I can prove every claim in this article through media and live witness testimony.

    For information about our philosophical and political position, see:
    http://www.yuksel.org
    http://www.19.org
    http://www.islamicreform.org
    http://www.brainbowpress.org

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  13. [...] I suggested in comments that protests should be made to the European Union. Turkey is working to gain admittance to the EU, and childish, totalitarian eruptions such as Oktar’s getting a court to censor a million blogs, significantly detract from Turkey’s chances and case. There is high irony here, too — Oktar is one of those who has willingly spread false claims that evolution was a cause of the Holocaust — heck, just a few months ago he was claiming evolution is the cause of terrorism. [...]

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  14. t h ray says:

    Igrar says: “Darwin’s theory explains the origin of species in a crazy manner without any logic at all.

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  15. Ed Darrell says:

    1. No, life was not “poofed” with Big Bang. Big Bang is quite independent of the origins of life from all rational perspectives.

    2. A great number of transitional forms of animals have been found — in the hundreds of thousands of clear transitionals. Good grief, there are 20 species of hominid between modern humans and the last ancestor we shared with other apes, with thousands of individual specimens in some of those species. How can anyone claim there are no transitionals, when such fossils were well known by 1799? Where have you been for the past 208 years?

    3. Many of the chief theorists in evolution have been religious people. Clearly you have not bothered to research the history of the science. To claim these people do not “understand there is a creator” is a great insult to religious people, some of them very devout (like Dobzhansky). I find it hard to give credence to claims that are at once contrary to the facts, and so insulting to faith.

    4. When can you make room to let the “invisible hand” (Adam Smith’s term, by the way) open your own eyes?

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  16. Igrar says:

    t h ray Says: Darwin’s theory is science because it explains the origin of species without the need for a creator god. If believers want to hold to an irrational belief that some supernatural being “poofed” species into existence by magic, that is their prerogative, but such does not advance understanding of how the world works.

    Darwin’s theory explains the origin of species in a crazy manner without any logic at all. Yes, that’s right the life was as you put “poofed” into existense with Big Bang. Just imagine if one animal had transferred to other animal during the long time period then a great number of of fossils of transitional animals must have been found so far. However, Darwin himself admitted that according to the logic of his theory there must have been huge number of fossils of transitional forms of animals but there is not a single fossil showing us a transitional form of any particular animal.The people defending this theory do understand that there is a Creator who has created them and currently providing them with all necessities to continue living (such as to be lucky to have been eduacted, to find a job and etc) but they are afraid to admit His existence because they are afraid to bear responsibility for their lives. “It’s my life” and that’s all that they can say. Just look at your life and destiny don’t you see that an invisible hand has interfered into your life and changed something?

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  17. t h ray says:

    Seline Cara wrote:

    “Creation should be a fact, no questioning. All religions, Islam or Christiany or Judaism, these all embrace creation by God. Why argue, why oppose? There are political reasons behind. Darwinism is surely a source for political debate, not for science.”

    Creation is a fact. Creationism is not. Darwin’s theory is science because it explains the origin of species without the need for a creator god. If believers want to hold to an irrational belief that some supernatural being “poofed” species into existence by magic, that is their prerogative, but such does not advance understanding of how the world works. Nor does it prepare our species to use its intelligence to continue to survive, create and propagate in an evolving universe.

    Tom

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  18. caliibre says:

    Why can “Creationists” &/or “Intelligent Design” advocates ‘solve’ Sudoku Number Puzzles so quickly? THEY JUST PUT A “G” IN ALL THE EMPTY SQUARES; it’s just a matter of faith you know! It’s the same method creationists resort to in trying to prove their unsustainable “intelligent design theory”. They just assume all gaps in current understanding and/or knowledge regarding evolution must be filled with a (G=god) solution. Saves them having to think and question I suppose; blind faith, a refuge for the feeble-minded!

    caliibre

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  19. Seline Cara says:

    Why is the media so much interested in this evolutionary debate? Evolution… this is an incredible story and I believe only propaganda keeps it on the agenda. Otherwise, some species turning into others. Can you believe an apple evolved into grapes, or a stone evolved into an alligator? Then how come does evolutionists expect me to believe that bacteria turned into whales, birds etc.?
    Creation should be a fact, no questioning. All religions, Islam or Christiany or Judaism, these all embrace creation by God. Why argue, why oppose? There are political reasons behind. Darwinism is surely a source for political debate, not for science.

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